| Hersteller | SanDisk |
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| Modellnummer | SDMX4-8192-E70 |
| Produktabmessungen | 8,9 x 4,4 x 1,3 cm; 75 Gramm |
| ASIN | B000IT62UK |
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- unterstützt Microsoft PlaysFor Sure und Windows XP/Vista
- 1.8" TFT-Farbdisplay, Diktiergerät-Funktion, microSD-Kartenslot zur Erweiterung der Speicherkapazität und zum Datentransfer
- extrem robustes; original Liquidmetal-Gehäuse; austauschbarer, leistungsstarker Li-Ion-Akku
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- Produktabmessungen : 8,9 x 4,4 x 1,3 cm; 75 Gramm
- Im Angebot von Amazon.de seit : 18. September 2006
- Hersteller : SanDisk
- ASIN : B000IT62UK
- Modellnummer : SDMX4-8192-E70
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- kann Video/Audio abspielen und Bilder darstellen
- austauschbarer Akku (ist aber proprietär)
- Akku (für ca. 15 €) kann recht schnell getauscht werden (4 Schrauben), es lohnt sich also auch ein Akku als Ersatzakku zu erwerben
- lange Akkulaufzeit (20,5 Std)
- kurze Ladezeit (30 Minuten)
- Bedienblende kann ebenfalls mit nur 4 Schrauben abgenommen werden, falls Staub/Dreck unter das Display geraten sollte
- keine Spezialsoftware für die Übertragung von Daten nötig und kann deswegen überall sofort eingesetzt werden. Das heißt: Datenübertragung per Wechsellaufwerk (MSC-Modus) oder per Mediaplayer & Co (MTP-Modus)
- zusätzlich erweiterbar durch Mini-SD Speicherkarte (z.Z. dann max. zusätzlich 2 GB)
- gute Verarbeitung und schickes Design
- gute Bedienung per Drehrad
- gutes Display und schicke Hintergrundbeleuchtung des Drehrads
- guter Klang des Players mit anderen Kopfhörern, hier unterscheiden sich die Player heutzutage aber so oder so kaum, da die Elektronik einfach schon zu gleich und ausgereift ist. Der Klang wird hauptsächlich vom Kopfhörer beeinflusst
- eingebautes Mikofon
- kann geschützte Musik abspielen
- inkl. Tasche
- Uhr
- der Preis ist sehr günstig
Als negativ wäre zu erwähnen:
- die mitgelieferten SanDisk Kopfhörer klingen etwas dumpf, die Höhen werden nicht richtig dargestellt (z.B. Becken von Schlagzeugen klingen nicht richtig aus)
- das Browsen per Ordnerstruktur ist nicht möglich, wenn aber die MP3 ID-Tags vorhanden sind, ist dies kein Problem
- das Laden ist nur per USB möglich, es gibt aber USB-Ladegeräte schon für wenig Geld (10 €), so dass auch ohne PC/Notebook aufgeladen werden kann
Bei meinem Gerät war leider Dreck unter dem Display und ein kleiner Kratzer am Gehäuse.
Weil ich keine Lust hatte wegen dieser Kleinigkeiten den Aufwand des Zurückschickens auf mich zu nehmen, reinigte ich das Display von innen selbst, was wie schon erwähnt sehr gut machbar ist. Ein gutes Gefühl zu wissen, dass im Fall des Falles das Gerät ohne die Gefahr hin es zu beschädigen, gut zu reinigen ist. Das z.Z. erhältliche Zubehör ist gut, aber natürlich nicht so zahlreich am Markt vertreten wie das Zubehör vom iPod.
Nicht umsonst ist dieses Gerät Testsieger bei Stiftung Warentest 7/2007 geworden.
Ich hoffe das sich das Gerät auch genauso, oder sogar mehr durchsetzt als die iPod-Geräte der Firma Apple, so dass es sich für viele Firmen lohnt gutes Zubehör zu entwickeln.
Das man bei dem iPod iTunes-Software benötigt um Daten zu übertragen ist schon lächerlich.
Zumindest muss man immer die Möglichkeit haben ein Wechseldatenträger benutzen zu können (nicht immer hat man die Software dabei, oder nicht jeder möchte so etwas installieren um Daten auszutauschen).
Der SanDisk Mediakonverter funktioniert auch sehr gut, man muss nur darauf achten, dass nicht nur das Sansa Gerät als erkannt angezeigt wird, sondern auch die Flashspeicherkapazität richtig erkannt wurde. Ist das dann der Fall, können Bilder und Videos ohne Probleme konvertiert und übertragen werden. (Quicktime Player + Mediaplayer müssen auf dem System zur fehlerfreien Ausführung des Konverters vorhanden sein, da die DLLs mitbenutzt werden.)
Im Vergleich kostet ein iPod nano 8 GB mindestens 80 € mehr als der SanDisk Sansa e280.
Zum Schluss kann man sagen, dass das Gerät sehr flexibel ist, und Flexibilität ist das A und O bei Geräten welche mit PCs benutzt/bedient/betankt werden können. PCs sind eben auch flexibel. SanDisk versucht nicht wie Apple ein eigenes Süppchen zu kochen, und das ist lobenswert.
Die Hardware und der Klang überzeugen.
Was aber wirklich überhaupt nicht geht, ist alles, was mit der Betriebssoftware zu tun hat:
- Es wird zwar nach allen ID3-Informationen sortiert, wer aber wie ich lieber durch Ordner navigiert, der wird hier enttäuscht. Warum ist das denn bitte nicht einstellbar ?
- Es werden weder Bitrate, noch Mono/Stereo, Format (mp3, wma), Frequenzbereich oder irgendwas angezeigt.
- Die Lautstärke-Obergrenze geht mit neuer Firmware und individuellem Equalizer in Ordnung. Im unteren Lautstärkebereich ist die Abstufung aber zu grob.
- Es gibt zwar zwei USB-Modi (MSC als Massenspeicher unter Windows und MTP als Player für WindowsMediaPlayer 10/11 und ähnliche Programme), Playlists können aber nur über MTP und Extra-Software erstellt werden und das weder besonders schnell noch zuverlässig. Bereits mehrmals sind Playlists nach An- und Abdocken an den PC plötzlich wieder leer gewesen.
- Immer wieder kommt es vor, dass Lieder nur auf einer Spur (links oder rechts) abgespielt werden. Einmal vor und zurück behebt den Fehler dann zwar, aber was soll denn das ?
- Bei einem Player mit Farbdisplay, der auch Bilder und Videos anzeigen kann, wäre eine Möglichkeit zur Anzeigen-Anpassung nicht zuviel verlangt gewesen.
- Da der Akku über USB geladen wird, wird er eben auch jedesmal geladen, wenn das Ding mal kurz an den PC angeschlossen wird. Das kann keinem Akku gut tun. Auch Li-Ion-Akkus werden gern erst entladen und dann wieder aufgeladen !
Dieser eigentlich gelungene Player enttäuscht, denn er bleibt deutlich hinter seinen Möglichkeiten zurück, es bleibt nur die Hoffnung, dass im Laufe der Zeit die Firmware weiter nachgebessert wird.
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The unit is sturdy, small and compact and fairly easy to use. I do agree up to a point with other reviewers regarding the menu system not being the easiest to navigate, but hey! if a fifty-something duffer like me can master it, then I reckon anyone can!
The sound quality is really good - even with the "bud" earphones supplied. I've read conflicting reviews regarding the sound being either too loud or too soft with this player and I think I've worked out why this could be happening! I think it all depends on the shape of the ear canal which to an extent will determine how well the "buds" fit into your ears. If they fit well, the sound can be on the loud side, but if they're a poor fit then the sound can be quiet. I've not had any problems with the sound being either too loud or soft so I guess I'm lucky! I'm going to buy a set of noise-cancelling headphones to use with this unit, and I guess it's the only accurate way to measure the sound level.
Having said that, there are two independent means of adjusting the sound levels: 1) with the thumbwheel while the song is playing, and 2) further increase/decrease can be obtained by selecting the "custom" equaliser option and increasing or decreasing all 5 sliders by equal amounts.
The E280 has played everything I've thrown at it so far - including speech MP3 files encoded at 24kbit/16kHz (the manual says the E280 will only go down to 32kbit). The lithium-ion battery is supposed to be easily replaced if necessary, and it looks like you have to simply unscrew 4 small screws on the back and remove it to get at the battery. The battery life when fully charged is supposed to be around 20 hours, but I haven't used it that much yet, but reviews reckon the average is around 18-19 hours from a full charge.
One important thing that isn't listed in the user guide are some of the minor specifications such as the maximum size of Micro SD card that the E280 will work with, but I've found out the unit won't work with the 64mB size or lower as these sizes use the FAT12 filesystem and the E280 will only work with FAT16 or FAT32 file systems. I do know it will work with a 1gB Micro SD (formerly known as Transflash) card though.
I haven't tried using photos or videos yet, but this looks a little less straightforward than simply dragging and dropping the MP3 files into the MUSIC folder on the player using Windows Explorer (with the E280 in MSC mode) as the images & video must be converted with the supplied software to a proprietary format and then downloaded to the E280.
The E280 relies heavily on Windows Media Player to create playlists which is probably why it needs V10 or higher, and it's not a complicated process, but has to be done in MTP mode not MSC mode. And as no mains charger is supplied, a USB port on the PC capable of supplying the full 500mA of power is a must (preferably via a USB hub with its own power unit) in order to charge the battery from the USB port. This also means you need to power up your PC to charge the battery AND you can't listen to any music whilst the E280 is attached to the PC. So a mains charger is strongly recommended. Amazon sell at least one type of charger suitable for the E280.
So to sum up:
The Pros:-
Versatile navigation buttons.
Well-featured menu system.
Excellent sound quality.
Sturdy build quality.
To date the largest solid state memory MP3 player.
Memory expandable with a Micro SD card. (to at least 9gB)
Small size.
Has both MSC and MTP USB modes (selectable via settings menu).
User replaceable Li-ion rechargeable battery.
The Cons:-
Menu system can be somewhat confusing at first.
Proprietary video/photo format.
Somewhat limited range of audio formats supported (i.e. no FLAC,APE,AAC or OGG support) although MP3, WAV, and WMA (incuding the DRM version) are supported.
Limited operating system support (only Windows XP SP1 or higher at present).
Limited processor support (must be Intel Pentium or higher)
Needs Windows Media Player 10 or higher (or some similar software) needed for MTP transfer mode for creating playlists.
No mains charger supplied.
The FM radio is only present in the US version.
Comclusion:-
Whilst there are as many cons as pros, if it's solid-state capacity and sound quality you're looking for in an MP3 player, the E280 is about as good as it gets!
Edit 29/3/17: My E280 is still functioning and the (original) battery is still holding plenty of charge. I have used it for around an hour and a half each day and the only problem I have with it is the scroll wheel has become very "noisy" electrically, which means the volume can shoot up or down by barely touching the wheel. Apart from that, no problems, and I'm still using the Sandisk OS rather than RockBox.
From a Linux point of view this thing is easy to use. It builds it's own playlist which means a thumb twiddling 2-3 minute wait when you add a track or two but the upside of this is that you get to treat it like any other mass storage device, and you can store (within the limitations of a utf-8 fat32 filesystem) music and vids using filenames and directories that make sense (unlike gtkpod with an ipod). microSD cards show as a separate disk.
If you plug in a microSD the thumb twiddling on boot happens each and every time, while the playlists are generated, and with the default auto-off settings you can be turning it on more than you might expect.
The firmware itself is nicer looking but less useful than the ipod, scanning through a track requires entering a submenu rather than clicking the centre button a couple of times. It does seem to be getting better with each release but it's highly restricted format-wise - mp3 only and a weird mjpegb/pcm video format in a mov container. If you only have mp3s that's fine but if you by default rip to ogg, you'll be doing a lot of ripping again.
The video format is more problematic. I have yet to successfully convert a video because a rotation of the image is required and though mencoder will do this (trancode and ffmpeg won't by default), libavformat's muxing is broken in the version I'm using (0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117), so without resorting to demuxing the video and audio and using mjpegtools to twiddle the image then putting it all back together (yawn) ... avidemux might do the job but the version I'm using lacks the mov container (maybe all versions do).
The windows software runs under wine but won't convert stuff because it can't find the player (there may be a fix for this because the software appears to be looking for a version string which could maybe be supplied in the wine config). It's useful to install the software if only to get the profiles for the video (and more hints for conversion).
On the upside, rockbox is being ported to the e200 series, so maybe in 6 months to a year the firmware won't be an issue.
The lack of a radio is annoying. You may read in some places that the radio is just turned off in firmware and that all you need is the US firmware. I have the US firmware, the radio still doesn't work. If you want one with a radio buy it in the US to be sure. Even if, as Sansa are promising, they release a radio version here you can expect the recording of the radio to be crippled (by all reports).
Firmware updating is easy. Simply switch on the lock button, hold the record button and switch on, then plug in the usb and the hidden partition on the disk is presented (and on my system automounted) then you copy the new firmware across, unmount and power-cycle the player.
The hidden partition thing brings up another issue. 8G becomes 7.5G for you to actually store your music/video/photos on.
Unlike the ipod, the wheel and buttons are separate entities, which make the wheel easier to use and, for me at least, the buttons harder because the wheel is raised above them.
Overall this player loses a point for the radio issue and another for the firmware but I still like it more than the nano I had before.
My main reasons for buying the Sansa were the mass storage driver support and the replaceable battery, I'd been looking at 8GB mp3 players for a while but been disappointed with the Creative device I'd picked up as it only worked in MTP mode. Eventually I found this too much of a limitation and it had to go back, for those unfamiliar with MTP (Media transfer protocol I think?), basically this means you have to have XP SP1 on the PC which recognises the device as an mp3 player and mainly expects you to interface through Windows media player although dragging and dropping is sort of possible. I found this too much of a limitation as it meant I couldn't use it with my work PC as a temporary flash drive or similar so the Creative went back.
The difficulty I found was that most name brand players didn't support mass storage support, I wasn't so keen on going with cheaper non-brand players. However Sandisk came to my rescue with the E200 series, although it ships with MTP by default a quick dip into the menu and you can change it to mass storage which means it works just like a USB flash drive in pretty much any computer you plug it into. This is ideal for me as I can happily drag and drop my files onto it be it music or just random files I need to carry with me.
Something to be aware of is that the E280 appears as two drives when hooked up, one for its own memory and one for the builtin card reader which can cause problems with some devices such as car stereos which can read mass storage devices as they only expect to see one device. On a similar note, the USB cable which is supplied for both data transfer and charging is a Sandisk proprietary one, I would have much rathered a standard mini-USB one as I'm usually carrying at least one with me.
Unfortunately you can't browse the filesystem from the device itself (unless running alternative firmware), everything is based on the tags which I do find an annoyance although I am better these days at making sure I tag music properly.
The E280 itself is nowhere near as tiny as the Ipod Nano series but on the other hand it's still reasonably small and I've not found the size or weight an annoyance, it easily slips into a pocket without being a noticeable distraction. The build and materials feel quite solid and despite a year of use my E280 still looks virtually unmarked. The only problem I've had is that dust has crept into the screen slightly, it's not enough to be an annoyance but probably something I'll need to get cleared out.
The screen is reasonably large and bright to suit the task of mp3 playback, I can't say I've tried images or video on it as it seems a bit small for that. I'm not too keen on the interface which blatantly rips off the Ipod interface, it works fine but I'd rather Sandisk hadn't just lifted the Apple interface. The tactile scroll wheel is fine to use though and easy to use in low light thanks to it lighting up.
I've generally been pleased with the batterylife in that I don't need to worry about charging it before I need to use it each time. As it's approached the year mark I have noticed it not holding the charge quite as long so I ordered the official replacement kit from Sandisk on Amazon which I was pleased to find was just ten points. Four screws and the back is off then it's a quick swap out, cover back on and the E280 is as good as new for batterylife.
Audio quality sounds great to me, I'm no audiophile but as a portable mp3 player I've never felt it inadequate in that area.
The micro sd card reader is a good idea but as it doesn't support sdhc you're limited to just 2GB which is a shame as micro SD is reasonably cheap these days. It would also mean it could share its memory with my phone (Nokia E90) so I could easily move music between them but on the other hand 8GB is a reasonably amount of memory.
In short I think the E280 is still well worth considering mainly because it will work without additional software on most operating systems and the easily replaceable battery means it will last a while. The main downsides from my point of view consist of a non-browsable file system, non-standard USB cable and no SDHC support. The biggest praise I can give the Sansa is that I still use mine, I have a tendency to 'upgrade' items fairly often but I've not seen anything on the market which I would consider changing to, the new Sansa view does not have proper mass storage support.
I really like it, it's fairly sexy looking and the case has a good solid feel to it; not flimsy at all like some mp3 players I've seen. Also, the navigation system is slightly easier to use than the ipod nano series (I bought my girlfriend one last year). The menu's wrap around, so you don't have to cycle down all the way to the end of a list to get to the last song; you can just cycle up from the beginning of the list. The rotating navigation button is mechanical (not a problem for me) and a little plasticy, and the surrounding buttons could be a little bigger.
The quality of the sound is exceptional (as good as an ipod), although I am using a different set of headphones from the ones supplied. There is a 5-band equaliser which is pretty good, and it has a whole bunch of presets. However, one minor gripe is that you can't see the equaliser settings for the presets, but I use a custom EQ setting anyway.
Regarding the device startup time, the e280 takes between 5-10 seconds to finish booting. However, if you have charged the device using the supplied USB cable, when you turn it on after the charge cycle it will do a full system restart which causes the database to refresh itself (presumably because it has to assume that you may have added new files to the memory). The database refresh can take a few minutes depending on how much music you've uploaded. Note that it will only do the database refresh once after you've had it plugged into the USB cable and not every time you turn it on as was intimated by one of the other reviewers.
I haven't tried plugging in a micro-SD card yet, so I can't comment on the additional time it takes to refresh the database with music on the SD card. However, I don't think the e200 series is compatible with the new high-density micro SD cards (4Gb+) that are becoming available. I believe these use a FAT32 filing system rather than the FAT16 for normal SD cards.
All in all, if you're looking for a large memory flash based mp3 player, it's an absolute bargain.
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The e280 with the stock operating system is NOT compatible with micro-sd cards of size greater than 2Gb. I have a 2Gb card installed and the startup time is horrendous (>1 minute), as it checks the contents of the card at bootup.
Having said that, I installed an alternative OS, RockBox. This is an awesome OS, and works fine. It's fully customisable and you can choose from any number of wizzy interfaces. More crucially, it also allows high density micro-sd cards to be used, so you can have 8-32Gb of card memory as well as the inbuilt 8Gb... Imagine 40Gb of flash memory mp3?! RockBox also extends the audio file compatibility - you name it, Rockbox can play it.
Startup time for the Rockbox OS is about 4 seconds, even with a full micro-sd card fitted. I had no problems installing it, and you can also boot up using the original SanDisk OS (I recharge the battery on my e280 and transfer music using the SanDisk OS), and the sound quality is just as good as the original SanDisk OS.
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