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Over the Wine-Dark Sea (Englisch) Gebundene Ausgabe – Juli 2001

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Rhodes, 310 BC. Greek traders dominate the Eastern Mediterranean, from Italy and Carthage in the west to the Levant in the east. The great Alexander is thirteen years dead, and his feuding generals gaze covetously at one another's portions of empire. Amidst mounting tension, the trading city of Rhodes is prosperous - and studiedly neutral. There in Rhodes, Menedemos is a young, daring sea captain; scholarly, reserved Sostratos is his cousin. Their fathers jointly own a merchant galley, the Aphrodite, and they expect Menedemos and Sostratos to use it to enrich their families. But now the cousins plan their largest, most audacious trading voyage yet, which will take them from the shores of Asia Minor all the way to the coasts of faraway Italy, and to confrontations with the barbarians of an obscure town called "Rome." Each of them has strengths the other lacks. Now, in the troubled waters off of Sicily, they face a chance at untold riches...if they can evade the massed strength of the Carthaginian fleet.

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H. N. Turteltaub is the pseudonym of a well-known novelist who is also an accomplished historian of the ancient world.
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The setting is the world of the Aegean Sea in the year 310 B.C., the Hellenic world is shook up by the endless warring of the generals of Alexander the Great after their leader's death. But this isn't a tale about historic warfare, told from the point of view of one of those generals.
Instead, it's an easy-going, highly entertaining tale of two merchants from the "free and autonomous" polis of Rhodes. Menedemos and Sostratos are in charge of a merchantship, and they are about as similar as fire and water -- Menedemos chases skirts (especially those of married women) as avidly as Sostratos chases knowledge and history. But they prove an excellent team as traders, in the often recurring dickerings over prices, the strategies of plotting where to go and how to turn a newly acquired item into a profit. And since the particular interests of the lead characters inevitably find them in troublesome spots, there are plenty of occasions for them to quarrel, with Menedemos quoting Homer and Sostratos firing sophistries back.
The high points of the book are the presence of peafowl, completely new to this area and therefore valuable -- as well as stubborn, dirty, and annoying, cause for a good deal of comedy --, and then the journey to an Italy still ruled by Greeks rather than the obscure backwater people named "Romans".
Turteltaub delves deeply into the functionality of the times, such as the tools, the way ship travel worked in those days as well as the ideas and mannerisms -- and for that he relies more on dialogue than lengthy examinations that take us away from the characters. Thus he re-creates the world of 310 B.C. in full bloom, such as any fantasy or science-fiction author has to manage.
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HASH(0x964a2db0) von 5 Sternen Not as 'vintage' as I had hoped for 21. Oktober 2004
Von B. Morse - Veröffentlicht auf Amazon.com
Format: Gebundene Ausgabe
Reading 'Over The Wine Dark Sea' was, to me, like whetting my appetite for a good ancient-Greece adventure story...the story is plotted out well, as far as pacing and continuity go, but overall I was left relatively flat by this tale.

Menedemos and Sostratos, like the 'Publisher's Weekly' review here on Amazon says, never rise above their station as opposites of one another before the tale concludes. Time and again, the author reminds the reader of the strengths and weaknesses of both, but fails to explore the reasons for the former, nor to deliver any real progression for the characters to overcome the latter.

While the author has obviously done significant research on the time period, and on the trade business of the classical Greeks, one would think that an author such as H.N. Turteltaub (also Harry Turteldove), with such a catalogue of works already generated would produce something a bit more indepth in making a genre-jump from his usual fare.

I found the business about the 'peafowl' to be far too dragged out overall, though it is the crown jewel of their trade voyage, and found myself rolling my eyes and skimming pages each time they were brought up again...as comic relief they work briefly, but the author relies on the squawking birds to 'entertain'a bit too often. There are also several references to a possible attack of pirates, and considering the solution employed by the cousins,...it's lively the first time, but when used more than once...it's simply repetitious.

For a reader looking for adventure-lite in the lives of the ancient Greeks...this will serve it's purpose...but for those wishing for more enlightenment and exploration into the era the story is set in, I would recommend other authors, such as Mary Renault, and Steven Pressfield.

However, I have also picked up 'The Gryphon's Skull', the next of the author's 'Hellenistic Seafaring Adventures' and have high hopes that perhaps like a fine wine...the tales improve with age.
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HASH(0x974059c0) von 5 Sternen Sad comedown for a writer I used to enjoy 2. Dezember 2005
Von Michael K. Smith - Veröffentlicht auf Amazon.com
Format: Gebundene Ausgabe
When he first began writing fiction a couple of decades ago, Harry Turtledove (who is Turteltaub in his everyday suit) was quite good. A Byzantine scholar, he showed a knack for straight historicals (especially the excellent _Justinian_) as well as alternate history yarns with an eastern Mediterranean setting. Then he hit the big time with _Guns of the South,_ and now he has way too many interminable series going at once, and his talent -- while considerable -- has turned out to be a finite quantity that's stretched too thin, the result being that he's now cranking out a great deal of very forgettable verbiage. This story of two young cousins in 310 B.C. on a trading voyage from Rhodes to the Greek colonies in Italy is a separate book (though it now appears to have spawned its own series, unfortunately), so I had hopes for it. And there's a lot of interesting sightseeing, but there sure isn't much narrative tension, and hardly any point to it all. This is Turtledove in "history teacher" mode: "See, the Dorics indicated assent by dipping the head rather than by nodding and dissent by tossing the head rather than shaking it, so I'll be sure to tell you every single time someone dips or tosses." He also insists on rendering place names in phonetic Greek-ified English, which makes the reader uncertain what ports the guys are stopping to trade at -- ignoring the fact that this book is, in fact, written in English, so why bother with that? The main characters also spend a lot of time explaining routine points of everyday life and ship operations to each other for the benefit of the reader -- an annoying device any creative writing student learns to avoid in his first semester. Maybe I'll just go back and reread some of his earlier books.
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HASH(0x967ca720) von 5 Sternen Why some folks love the Greek classics 2. Juli 2001
Von Kindle Customer - Veröffentlicht auf Amazon.com
Format: Gebundene Ausgabe
Ever wonder, "Why the fuss about Iliad, Odyssee and all that stuff?"
Harry Turtledove, using his Turtletraub pen name, makes a couple of Greeks come alive. Alexander is dead, Rome is still a minor-league bunch of barbarians, and the wine-dark sea is still waiting for Jack Aubrey, Steven Maturin and the U.S. Sixth Fleet.
One cousin quotes Homer, but loves the most off-color bits of Aristophanes. The second would like to write like Thucydides or maybe Socrates, but can never see what the crew of armed oarsman will think or do - until after his cousin has effortlessly made them do it his way.
WARNING - you may find yourself reaching for books you always heard about, but never thought you'd want to read.
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HASH(0x9656f60c) von 5 Sternen A LOOK INTO ANOTHER TIME 13. Februar 2002
Von MJR reader - Veröffentlicht auf Amazon.com
Format: Gebundene Ausgabe
This is a very clever book that gives the reader a look at another time, over two thousand years ago. While not as good as the author's previous historical novel, "Justanian," "Wine Dark Sea" is a excellent read. You won't find it in most book stores so order it here, you won't be disapointed! ...
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HASH(0x96addc78) von 5 Sternen Nice story, interesting history, but annoying at times. 19. Mai 2006
Von Johnjx - Veröffentlicht auf Amazon.com
Format: Taschenbuch
I just read this book and found it very enjoyable. A good read on the bus. There are, however, a couple of irritating points that I just have to get of my chest. By the end of the book, I was thinking that if I had to read the phrase "he tossed his head" one more time, I was going to scream! According to the author, this is definitely not the same as nodding one's head and everyone in the book seems to do it all the time. I also found the frequent insertion of unexplained Greek nouns somewhat annoying. As other reviewers have noted, there is no glossary and the context does not always help much. I also found the author's constant focus on the little arguments between the two main characters somewhat tiring. And frankly, the book needs more sex and violence! "Turtletaub" spent so much time writing about peafowl and their chicks that my eyes began to glaze over. Turtledove is nice writer, not a great one, but his books would make great movies and, in spite of my comments, I will probably read the other books in this series because they are pleasant diversions and I am interested in the ancient world
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