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5.0 von 5 Sternen Yet another possible future - a great read!
Darn it! Here it is, 2:30 in the morning again. Joe Haldeman's "Forever Peace" was too great a read for me to stop!
I've long been interested in issues around the man<=>machine interface. Contemporary computers, keyboards and screens have remarkably extended our intellectual reach to the robotic exploration of outer, local and inner space. We...
Veröffentlicht am 2. April 2000 von Hank Schwartz

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3.0 von 5 Sternen Broken, but enjoyable.
The plot of this book has been stated numerous times, so restating it does little. The very problem with this statement is that the book does not have a single plot.
I can't help but think that this piece would have been better as a collection of three short stories. There are three basic stories that are occuring in the novel: Julian's struggle with his...
Veröffentlicht am 14. Juni 2000 von ceraph


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3.0 von 5 Sternen Broken, but enjoyable., 14. Juni 2000
The plot of this book has been stated numerous times, so restating it does little. The very problem with this statement is that the book does not have a single plot.
I can't help but think that this piece would have been better as a collection of three short stories. There are three basic stories that are occuring in the novel: Julian's struggle with his humanity, the Jupiter Project, and the humanization project. Going too deeply into any of these would ruin the story for those who wish to read it, but the plots aren't intertwined.
In fact, Julian's struggle with his humanity takes a sudden vacation as the focus of the book shifts to the Jupiter Project. The same occurs for the shift to the humanization project.
The disparity in pace, tone and execution is a bit unnerving, especially when you're really into a portion of the book. I was often disappointed with the sudden change in perspective, and it didn't do much to further my immersion into the story.
Despite these setbacks, the book does have a keen emotional base. Some of the concepts brought forth have profound social and mental considerations which are enjoyable to contemplate. The story is fast-paced, albiet unevenly, and it is a good recreational read.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Yet another possible future - a great read!, 2. April 2000
Darn it! Here it is, 2:30 in the morning again. Joe Haldeman's "Forever Peace" was too great a read for me to stop!
I've long been interested in issues around the man<=>machine interface. Contemporary computers, keyboards and screens have remarkably extended our intellectual reach to the robotic exploration of outer, local and inner space. We have developed formidable interpretive methods that enable us to synthesize and deduce reliable information from often unrelated signals spread over time, form and distance.
The ultimate realization of such an extension of man and machine might well be Haldeman's "soldier boys". In this exciting and suspenseful novel he has craftily perfected this interface so that "mechanics" located great distances from the soldier boy machines have complete sensory and functional control.
Even more wonderful, he has humanized the interface by linking the multiple minds, histories and realities of the several or many persons that "jack" together.
His vision of the consequences of such a linking, and how vividly he expressed it, fascinated me. I found the characters and the concepts extremely interesting, intense and believable. The suspense built right up to a thrilling conclusion that left me slightly breathless and just itching to sit down and say something about it.
For readers who like to ponder our possible futures this is a fine vision to add to their collection.
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3.0 von 5 Sternen two unrelated books stuck together, 16. März 2000
This book is really wierd. The first half is all about war in the future, where soldiers fight from bunkers and use virtual reality hook-ups to androids in the field. All of a sudden, Haldeman throws in this conflict from left field and the story takes off in a totally different direction. The war portion of the book is kinda slow- nothing much happens but description, setting, and background. If Haldeman did something with that portion, he could have made a really good book - I mean, he had enough technology and problems to talk about.
The second part of the book was kinda over the top, even for science fiction. The characters solved their overwhelming problems way too easily. It got pretty intense and exciting towards the end, but like another reviewer said, the way the ending is written is really cheesy. Haldeman comes up with some cool ideas, but he doesn't take them as far or as deep as they can go.
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4.0 von 5 Sternen Reinventing Man, 16. Dezember 1999
Rezension bezieht sich auf: Forever Peace (Gebundene Ausgabe)
I have been reading Joe Haldemans books since I was twelve years old, when a copy of Forever War fell into my hands. Of course at that age Forever War reads the same as any other grand space adventure, but the fundamental issues underlying Haldemans book weren't wasted... The only way to truly understand the horrors of war is to see them through the eyes of the soldier as it is revealed to him the pointless nature of the entire affair. Written by a soldier who fought in Vietnam, and reading it just at the age when I was becoming aware of Vietnam, I can honestly say that his book played an important part in my understanding of mankinds most primative and violent pastime. His call to peace is so well articulated and deeply felt by the end of his tale that you wonder why anyone would wish to continue engaging in the travesty that is War in an effort to bring about the trivialities of policy.
With Forever Peace Haldeman shows us that the traumas of ones youth reverberate throughout the rest of your life. Once again he presents us with Goya inspired landscapes of war and a central character who is deeply involved and who has come to an emotional and ethical impasse concerning his role in the affair.
Julian Class is one of the hot new high-tech soldiers who fights incredible battles from the safety of a control booth thousands of miles away (a truly horrifying concept that seems to be the direction our modern military would like to go... combat that is all to real to our enemies but no more dangerous than a virtual reality simulator for our military). Julian, an educated man, has always skirted the ethical delimna within himself by not being involved in the most violent or bloodthirsty campaigns (these are saved for the Hunter/Killer squadrons who seem to be populated with the futuristic versions of the Columbine High School gunmen... kids who are turned on by death). But when Class is involved in an operation that goes terribly wrong and results in the deaths of hundreds of civilians the emotional wire he has been so carefully balancing on finally breaks. It is at this point that Haldemans novel begins to explore the suggestion of changing mankinds fundamental propensity towards violence. As the main characters happen upon a scheme that could permanently alter the human urge to act out in a violent fashion towards one another. The idea is attractive but the realization of it is, unfortunately, all too fictional.
Our violent history is something to be gravely considered on a daily basis as we work towards a more peaceful coexistence but the dream of erasing our violent natures at the touch of a button is now, and will likely always be, a dream. So, like Orson Scott Cards book Pastwatch (a novel that suggests we could alter the violent history of the Americas with a few minor changes in the events surrounding Columbus's discovery of the New World) I have to say that Forever Peace is a tremendous read but it chooses to resolve a monumental dilemma far to easily for my taste. I do, however, give it four stars since Mr. Haldeman seems to be chanting a prophetic refrain taught me in my youth .... What if they called a war and nobody went?
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3.0 von 5 Sternen A bullet train that smacks into a marshmellow, 10. Dezember 1999
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This is one book that starts off well. Let's be clear about one thing: no one, and I mean no one, writes about military science-fiction with the sense of versimilitude that Joe Haldeman commands. The opening portion of the book is definitely military in nature, then Haldeman does the unexpected by deepening the book with moral and practical dilemmas that take it to a whole new level, all the while ratcheting up the tension and complexity of the story.
I don't think that I've ever felt this much stress when reading a story. I found the characters compelling and engaging and I was impressed that Haldeman didn't pull any punches at throwing problems their way. If anything, it almost seemed like he was trying to destroy them.
By the time it reaches its conclusion, the story is moving along like a bullet train -- sleek, beautiful, and fast -- and then it hits a big, marshmellowish deus ex machina. Worse, the ending *literally* takes the form of "and over the next two years, X happened".
It was a real let-down. I think that Haldeman realized that he was 300+ pages into the story and, dammit, there was the end coming up! I can understand that, but he should have made this into a trilogy. There was certainly enough story potential to turn it into one. As it is, we have a truly brilliant book that's crippled by a truly sallow ending.
I think that it's worth picking up. I really do. The ending is poor but the rest of the book is filled with so much brilliance, energy, and passion that I really think that it deserves to be read. Just... flesh out the ending in your imagination when you get to it.
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4.0 von 5 Sternen A good book, well worth your time, 8. Dezember 1999
Rezension bezieht sich auf: Forever Peace (Gebundene Ausgabe)
I don't read a lot of science fiction, but something about the title made me pick it up. I haven't read anything else by this author, but if Forever Peace is an example, I may have to try some of his other books.
The book is about a new kind of warfare that I found very believable. The advanced nations of the near future are using remotely controled androids known as "soldier boys" to fight the smaller "Bosnia" type wars of tomorrow. The soldiers who control these androids through brain implants can't stay plugged in too long, or they go insane. Which is one of the secrets the book unravels. The main character, a soldier/mathematician named Julian is the heart of what makes an intricate story work so well. This character is very well written. He is complex, and multifaceted person (which is to say very real). The story is political thriller set in the future, with an intellectual 'everyman' as its hero. It was one of the best books I have read this year.
I found it so believable I did a little snooping and I think I know why it rings so true: not only was the author a soldier (Vietnam) but he has been involved in think groups for the Pentagon on the weapons of tomorrow. He knows of what he speaks. I find the fact that an author with such a macho pedigree could write such a moving anti-war book to be facinating. Maybe what they say is true: nobody hates war more than a soldier.
My advice? Try the book.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Der Kopf entscheidet, 22. August 1999
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Ich habe "Forever War" aufgrund des Hugo-Awards gelesen und war beeindruckt wie sich die scheinbare Distanz, die zwischen Leser und Story besteht, mit der Zeit auflöst. Es ist deshalb beeindruckend, weil die Story nicht unbedingt im Vordergrund steht, vielmehr ist es der Gedanke hinter der Geschichte gewesen, der mich mit der Zeit immer mehr fasziniert hat. Oberflächlich mag "Forever War" eines der vielen Bücher über zukünftige Kriegsführung mit "Happy-End" sein, das die Gedanken des "Helden" als Faden nimmt, der die Geschichte zusammenhält. Aber da ist noch etwas Anderes, der Versuch, eine Lösung für ein dringendes Problem der Gegenwart und vor allem der Zukunft zu finden und Haldemann sucht diese Lösung. Vielleicht hat er sie in "Forever War" gefunden, vielleicht ist seine Bilanz, dass die Menschen zum Frieden gezwungen werden müssen, dass wir darauf hoffen müssen, uns selbst irgendwann zivilisieren zu könne, um den Alptraum eines ewigen Krieges abzuschütteln. Eines macht er mit "Forever War" aber unmissverständlich klar: Egal wieviel Technik wir zwischen den Krieg und uns bringen, egal wie perfekt ferngesteuert wir in Zukunft töten werden, das Ergebnis wird immer das Gleiche bleiben und sich nicht ändern, bevor wir uns nicht ändern. Fünf Sterne für jemand, der ein Buch nicht über, sondern für die Zukunft geschrieben hat. (Dies ist eine Amazon.de an der Uni-Studentenrezension.)
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4.0 von 5 Sternen Interesting, yet lacking, 18. Juni 1999
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Rezension bezieht sich auf: Forever Peace (Gebundene Ausgabe)
Personally, I liked the ending. I thought it was rather heart warming, the last line especially.
"Alone, together. The way it always used to be."
I guess you have to be sort of a philosopher and a hopeless romantic to really appreciate it. I will admit I felt that Haldeman could have gone into a bit more detail when creating the characters' personalities (he could have elaborated a little more on what caused Julian's suicide attempt as well) and that certain aspects of plot were a little underdeveloped. All things considered I thought the book was quite enjoyable despite it's vague descriptions and slightly familar scenario (in other words, the end of the world). However, I found the idea and concept of the furturistic technology mentioned to be both original and quite possibly a glimpse of what's to come. I would not recommend the book to anyone because that's just a part of my personality but it is an interesting story about loss, (in some distant way) love, desparation, and the voilent acts we all are cabable of. It accurately portrays the reality of human nature (it also displays the author's idealistic hopes of one day changing it).
I must say that I look forward to reading "The Forever War" after reading "Forever Peace" and hearing the comparisons that others have made.
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3.0 von 5 Sternen A major stylistic advance over "The Forever War", 3. April 1999
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Rezension bezieht sich auf: Forever Peace (Gebundene Ausgabe)
I am surprised by the readers who have compared Haldeman's new novel unfavorably to "The Forever War." That early novel's virtues notwithstanding, Haldeman's prose is much better in the books he wrote in the eighties and nineties, and I find his style one of his greatest virtues. (His plots can be, if anything, a bit too well-oiled and smooth-running. I tend to prefer his meditative works, such as "World Enough and Time," over the more thriller-like ones, such as "Tool of the Trade.")
Narrative consciousness (what you would call "characterization") is better conveyed by a book's prose than by its plot, and I found the stoicism (and the descent into despair) of the protagonist very strong. Perhaps the final quarter of the novel has a bit too many precisely-timed entrances and exits; "The Long Habit of Living" (aka "Buying Time") is another one of Haldeman's better novels that can perhaps be faulted on these grounds. But I read the novel straight through, pausing to reread paragraphs that seemed especially good, and have no problem commending the novel.
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2.0 von 5 Sternen Another Haldeman fan, but found this one disappointing., 6. April 1999
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I'll keep this one short because most of it's been said in other reviews. I'm a *big* Haldeman fan and until now thought he could do no wrong. But _Forever Peace_ was a real let-down -- throughout the book it seemed that Haldeman was consciously trying to evoke the writing elements for which he's known without becoming *too* derivative of his past work. The result is tepid prose and a generally unappealing book -- annoying characters, laughable plot, weak science, useless and predictable "action" sequences. (And WHAT is with that ending?)
I did thoroughly enjoy _1968_ (a newish non-SF Haldeman novel) -- it's apparent that he still knows how to write a compelling story. I got the feeling Mr. Haldeman was writing _FP_ under contract, or simply to get *something* out there without having to put too much thought into it.
If this were my first Haldeman novel I doubt I'd pick up another one -- I've read better by less established authors. Granted, it probably isn't fair to compare this too strongly to his earlier work, but I *did* buy it simply because of the author's name on the cover.
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