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5.0 von 5 Sternen Some like it, some hate it. Regardless, read it.
Most of us are probably aware of how, as you read more and more science fiction, your stack of 'extremely good' books stays mostly level while the stack of 'acceptable' books outgrows your bookshelf. You start to appreciate the writers who have done their duty to science fiction by studying the Drexlers, the Minskys and Feynmans -- the scientists whose sheer extrapolative...
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3.0 von 5 Sternen Zu wenig Tiefgang, zu wenig Emotionen, trotzdem kein schlechter Roman
Einige Ideen des Autors in diesem Roman sind schon klasse. Und Ideen machen gute Science Fiction. Aber mir fehlte ein gewisser emotionaler Tiefgang sowie die Ausgestaltung und Entwicklung der Charaktere. Alle Protagonisten in diesem Roman haben Potential, aber dieses Potential wird vom Autor nicht verwirklicht. Letztendlich bleiben die Charaktere ihren Stereotypen...
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Some like it, some hate it. Regardless, read it., 16. November 1997
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Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
Most of us are probably aware of how, as you read more and more science fiction, your stack of 'extremely good' books stays mostly level while the stack of 'acceptable' books outgrows your bookshelf. You start to appreciate the writers who have done their duty to science fiction by studying the Drexlers, the Minskys and Feynmans -- the scientists whose sheer extrapolative powers really push the borders of imagination.
Vinge is one of those hardworking writers. He is the author of the hard-to-find "True names and other dangers..." which means you can credit him for adding several of the future- or tech-based memes most of us take for granted today.
The ratings for this book waver between 6-10, with a '2' thrown in by some poor fellow. Don't worry about Vernor Vinge's grammatical capabilities -- he writes a mean sentence, and some of the best technical descriptions I've ever read. For a genre which pedestalizes Asimov, who could hardly string 6 words together coherently (guess he was moving too fast), some people are MIGHTY picky!
Also, you won't find the "-oid" syndrome which you get with Bujold, for example, where contemporary items are made to sound science-fictiony just by giving them a new name. You won't read sentences like "He grabbed his key-oids and jumped in his car-oid..."
Vinge's science is deep, and the ramifications of everything from the 'slow zone' to the 'unthinking deeps' to the 'agrav fabric docks' to the hi-tech of the beyond, to the cute extrapolation of an Internet of galactic scope, to the effect of radio upon the Tines (a sophont race), to the matter-of-fact acceptance of racial senescence... all of these things are well thought out and brilliantly presented. You will see many of Vinge's concepts become commonplace in science fiction, and you'll be able to say you saw it here first. :)
Vinge is a scientist/mathmetician, after all, and he seems constitutionally unable to write the soft-science glop which is taking over science fiction. His science fiction is as hard as diamond, and the only bad side effect is that the people you read between the 'good ones' will seem much more inept and unimaginative.
Don't worry about Vinge's characterizations... they're strong and capable (especially those of the skroderiders (plants) and the tines (pack intelligences)). You'll be fascinated by his treatment of alien mentalities... and if you aren't, well, luckily science fiction isn't about characterization anyways.
If you want character, read a novel, which is the genre of the character. If you want science fiction, you could do MUCH worse than come here... you'll be adding a nice thick book to your small stack of 'extremely good' books.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen An excellent book, 15. April 1999
Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
If you enjoyed Vinge's earlier work, especially the Peace War and Marooned in Realtime, you will probably enjoy this book as long as you don't expect more of the same speculative ideas. If you've never read Vinge, or haven't read much sf, this book might not be the best place to start. The reason for that caveat is that the book leaps into a setting that is as far in the future, conceptually, as our society would be to a primitive hunter-gatherer. That means that you start off off-balance and only gradually come to assimilate all the details necessary to really understand the story. This is not criticism (at least in my book) since some of the best sf uses this technique. It requires more effort from the reader but beats hell out of some cutesy expository device or preface. A Fire Upon the Deep is well worth the effort. It is a well-crafted work that blends numerous far-reaching settings, textured characterizations and surprising speculation into a very satisfying whole.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Stunningly Excellent, 5. März 1999
Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
A Fire upon the Deep came as a recommendation from a friend, and was the first book I read in my first batch of new books.
What awaited me has to be one of the finest SF books I've ever read: simply epic, Vinge manages to encompass and make such an unimaginably endless universe real. The concepts are thrilling, the Tines and the Zones of the galaxy are flat out some the most fascinating and creative ideas I've seen in a while.
To say the least I enjoyed Fire, and was amazed at the fact that a 600+ page book never became dry or boring. Considering current trends of short stories inflated to novel status by stuffing in tons inane drivel and mindless description, Fire was a welcome change.
I recommend Fire upon the Deep for many reason, but the main one being simple: it opened up my mind in ways I didn't think possible.
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4.0 von 5 Sternen Excellent universe; good plot; adequate resolution, 18. September 2000
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Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
Consider the galaxy divided into zones: the Slowness, where FTL travel is impossible, and technology is limited to a vague extrapolation of what we know today; the Beyond, where FTL travel is possible, and sentient software and hardware dominate the technology; and the Transcend populated by Powers, literal gods whose thoughts and actions are inconceivable those who haven't "transcended". Populate it with millions of different races, and connect it with a galaxy wide information network.
A human colony attempting to "transcend", using information found in an ancient archive, instead unleashes a "perversion" on the galaxy. Two children escape to a medieval world populated by dog-like creatures who share consciousness as packs. With them they have the possible countermeasure to the evil that was released. Two humans and two sentient mollusk/machines race to retrieve the countermeasure and save the galaxy.
There are really two stories here, and either might be enough to power its own novel. There are two big issues here: What would life be like in a universe where gods were many and observable, and godhood was difficult but obtainable? And, what is the nature of consciousness, memory and self? The author powers these questions with "Space chase" and "Marooned on a backward world" to generate the tension. It works well.
However, on the downside the book never really addresses the philosophical issues head on. After getting fleeting glimspes of them in the opening pages, Vinge continues on almost mechanically, referring tangentially to the questions, the implications and the possibilities the world which he has created. Deeper meanings seem just out of reach for the remainder of the book.
The book is valuable and a worthwhile read, because it makes one think, but at the same time I think Vinge gets off easy, because he never lets the reader know what he thinks.
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4.0 von 5 Sternen Complex hard sci-fi, but still filled with imagination., 24. Juni 2000
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Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
Vinge introduces you to a new viewpoint of our galaxy, it's future-history and it's stratified physics, through the eyes of those who live in it. Don't expect a lesson, you're learning through exposition. Subsequently, you spend much of the first part (3 part book) discovering how this galaxy "works"; including a usenet-type of communication backbone. [I was amazed that the book was authored in '91, before most of us knew what a newsgroup was... then again the author is a comp sci professor.]
The meat of the book takes place in three locations: 2 of which are on a "medieval" world with an amazing race and the other is in the greater galaxy. There are subtle but distinct parallels between the good/evil battle on this planet and the one waging in the galaxy. Both contain complex and engaging characters and races.
The book becomes harder to put down as the characters in these three locations move together, eventually occupying the same space. Like three volatile chemicals coming together, you know it's going to be big!
A Fire Upon the Deep is a wonderful read for fans of "hard" science fiction. Vinge brings so much into it: the physics, races, and technology of hard sci-fi; the history, conspiracy, and duplicity of a political thriller; the excitement and passion of a great war novel; and even a little romance and weightless space-sex!
I strongly recommend it to fans of Larry Niven and Arthur C. Clarke.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Very interesting, 28. Dezember 1999
Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
Most of the sci-fi I've read happens in a world quite close to ours: a few high-tech gadgets are introduced but the world stays mostly the same. Alien races seem to be more like humans in costumes.
Vinge's universe is so wonderfully different: the ideas of an intelligent pack race, the Skroderiders and the segmentation of the galaxy into zones where technology works at different speeds are something I haven't seen before. All ideas are well thought out, and there are no loose threads that I noticed.
The first part of the book might be hard to read, since the terms of the universe are not explained beforehand. I don't find this a disadvantage at all but rather the opposite: I like being presented with a situation with many unknowns, putting the book down for a while and theorizing about what is really going on.
Most amusing are the news groups -- the interstellar group communication works just like today's Usenet! What Vernon failed to predict in 1992 is that it won't even take a hundred years before they're all filled with spam. MAKE.TRANSCENDENSE.FAST! :)
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4.0 von 5 Sternen Fremdartige Kreaturen, wenige Erklärungen, 16. April 2001
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Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
Der vorliegende Roman von Vernor Virge handelt von einer Rettungsmission auf der Suche nach einer Geheimwaffe, die ein uraltes erwecktes Böses vor der Zerstörung der Galaxie bewahren soll. Die Handlung spielt an drei Orten gleichzeitig, ist sehr spannend geschrieben, und alle Handlungsstränge fügen sich am Ende zu einem furiosen Finale.
Sehr detailliert hat sich der Autor verschiedene außerirdische Rassen ausgedacht und als Leser/in hat man den Eindruck, dass die Menschen (von den Aliens nur Spezies "Homo sapiens" genannt) in der Milchstraße nur eine kleine unbedeutende Rolle spielen. Eine besondere Rolle in der Geschichte spielen die "Tines", bei denen erst Rudel von Tieren Intelligenz hervorbringen und die "Skroderider", die als baumartige Wesen auf mechanischen Karren beschrieben werden. Die Ausarbeitung der Aliens ist dem Autor besonders gut gelungen und hinterlässt interessante Ideen über die Vielfalt von intelligentem Leben.
Bemerkenswert ist der Aspekt, dass der Gedanke des Internets auf den großen Maßstab übertragen wurde. Es finden sich in dieser fiktionalen Galaxie Jahrtausende alte Datenarchive und die Kommunikation erfolgt mit den bekannten Mitteln E-Mail und Newsgroups. Alle technisch entwickelten Rassen nehmen am "Known Net" teil und Übersetzungscomputer sorgen für Verständigung. Eine durchaus glaubhafte Vorstellung.
Ein Problem, mit dem jeder SciFi-Autor zu kämpfen hat, sind die Beschränkungen der Physik und die Reisedauern selbst bei Lichtgeschwindigkeit. Deshalb findet sich in jeder SciFi-Welt eine Art Warp-Antrieb mit wechselndem Namen. Der Autor dieses Buches hat die Galaxie in verschiedene Zonen eingeteilt, in denen offensichtlich verschiedene physikalische Gesetze herrschen. Je weiter außen man sich auf der Scheibe der Milchstraße befindet, desto höher entwickelte Technologie lässt sich bauen und desto abstruser werden die Lebensformen. Dies geht bis hin zu übermenschlichen künstlichen Intelligenzen. Reisen mit Überlichtgeschwindigkeit ist nur in den äußeren Zonen möglich; im großen Zentrum der Galaxie behelfen sich die Raumfahrer mit dem altbekannten Konzept der Kälteschlafkammern. Leider wird im Buch nie der Versuch gemacht, eine Erklärung für diese Zonen abzuliefern, und so kratzt man sich als Leser/in nur am Kopf, während man alles Wissen von der Physik für die Dauer des Romans über Bord werfen muss.
Einen Stern Abzug gibt es dafür, weil man den Eindruck bekommt, in der Zukunft tragen alle Menschen skandinavische Namen. Der Autor schreibt in seinem Vorwort zwar, dass er durch einen Aufenthalt in Norwegen beeinflusst wurde, aber für meinen Geschmack war das etwas zu viel Einfluss. Ständig norwegische Namen lesen zu müssen ist nicht angemessen für einen Science-Fiction-Roman.
Alles in allem ein spannendes Buch mit faszinierenden Beschreibungen fremdartiger Welten und vielfältigen Manifestationen von intelligentem Leben.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Tied for the best "space opera" ever written, 9. August 1996
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Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
At the risk of appearing overly effusive (but someone has to balance out the curiously negative reviews below), this book is, in my not-so-humble-opinion, tied with Brin's STARTIDE RISING as the best "space opera" ever written. For the uninitiated, a space opera is a work of science fiction based on vast concepts and large movements through space. The analogy in the old westerns would be the wagon train story. In a human condition where there seems to be nothing new under the sun, this book includes two unique ideas, each forming the core of the macro and micro story lines. On the macro side is the "zones of space" concept where physical laws that affect intelligence and machine capabilities change depending on discrete zones measured by distance from the galactic core. I know, it sounds a bit hokey, but it works better than I have described it, and provides the basis for a wonderfully vast and different kind of story. On the micro side is the portrayal of a truly alien "pack intelligence" being(s) on the planet where much of the book's later action takes place -- and the action throughout this book is breathtakingly non-stop. But this is more than a book of great concepts. It is also a well crafted work with well drawn characters. Never a prolific writer, Vinge has written a book that not only stands head and shoulders above all the rest of his work (and he has written three other highly-regarded works: the linked books of THE PEACE WAR and MAROONED IN REALTIME and the novella -- soon to be re-released -- TRUE NAMES). It also, if I may be so bold, stands astride the entire science fiction field as an instant modern "classic" of the genre. No book is for everyone, and obviously a few of the other reviewers below felt disappointed. But this is clearly a small minority view, and I hope they will not deter interested readers from experiencing for themselves one of the great science fiction works of this, or any other, decade
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Tied for the best "space opera" ever written, 9. August 1996
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Rezension bezieht sich auf: A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought) (Taschenbuch)
At the risk of appearing overly effusive (but someone has to balance out the curiously negative reviews below), this book is, in my not-so-humble-opinion, tied with Brin's STARTIDE RISING as the best "space opera" ever written. For the uninitiated, a space opera is a work of science fiction based on vast concepts and large movements through space. The analogy in the old westerns would be the wagon train story. In a human condition where there seems to be nothing new under the sun, this book includes two unique ideas, each forming the core of the macro and micro story lines. On the macro side is the "zones of space" concept where physical laws that affect intelligence and machine capabilities change depending on discrete zones measured by distance from the galactic core. I know, it sounds a bit hokey, but it works better than I have described it, and provides the basis for a wonderfully vast and different kind of story. On the micro side is the portrayal of a truly alien "pack intelligence" being(s) on the planet where much of the book's later action takes place -- and the action throughout this book is breathtakingly non-stop. But this is more than a book of great concepts. It is also a well crafted work with well drawn characters. Never a prolific writer, Vinge has written a book that not only stands head and shoulders above all the rest of his work (and he has written three other highly-regarded works: the linked books of THE PEACE WAR and MAROONED IN REALTIME and the novella -- soon to be re-released -- TRUE NAMES). It also, if I may be so bold, stands astride the entire science fiction field as an instant modern "classic" of the genre. No book is for everyone, and obviously a few of the other reviewers below felt disappointed. But this is clearly a small minority view, and I hope they will not deter interested readers from experiencing for themselves one of the great science fiction works of this, or any other, decade
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3.0 von 5 Sternen Zu wenig Tiefgang, zu wenig Emotionen, trotzdem kein schlechter Roman, 16. August 2013
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Einige Ideen des Autors in diesem Roman sind schon klasse. Und Ideen machen gute Science Fiction. Aber mir fehlte ein gewisser emotionaler Tiefgang sowie die Ausgestaltung und Entwicklung der Charaktere. Alle Protagonisten in diesem Roman haben Potential, aber dieses Potential wird vom Autor nicht verwirklicht. Letztendlich bleiben die Charaktere ihren Stereotypen verhaftet und zum Ende hin haben mich ihre Schicksale, mit einer Ausnahme, nicht mehr wirklich interessiert.

Auch hätten m.E. nach einige Ideen und Themen konsequenter ausgestaltet und weitergeführt werden können. Es passiert wirklich Großes im Verlauf der Geschichte, aber literarisch wird dieses Große nicht zu meiner Zufriedenheit transportiert. Auch hier fehlt mir ein gewisser Tiefgang.

Trotzdem: Ich habe das Buch (immerhin um die 600 Seiten) gelesen und bereue es nicht. Für Science Fiction Leser auf jeden Fall interessant. Aber begeistert bin ich nicht, und das wäre ich gerne :)
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