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5.0 von 5 Sternen A Courage Book - Comment from an African-American
The question is not whether a difference exists in IQ scores between whites and blacks, but why does the difference exist! Murray and Herrnstein give a fairly convincing argument that IQ is a factor in determining ones success in life. Blacks with an IQ of 120 are just as likely to graduate from college as whites or Asians with a similar IQ, and Murray and Herrnstein...
Veröffentlicht am 12. Dezember 1999 von The Kid

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3.0 von 5 Sternen Sure, it's worth reading
The stats, the stats, the stats...I dunno, I've read countless other books with just as many "stats" that support other conclusions, conclusions which support naked-eye observations about the way this society works.
The Bell Curve, as evidenced by the responses, does touch on the race issue. It does suggest that one's upward mobility is dependent more on...
Veröffentlicht am 1. Februar 2000 von Duane G. Aubin


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5.0 von 5 Sternen A Courage Book - Comment from an African-American, 12. Dezember 1999
Rezension bezieht sich auf: Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life (A Free Press Paperbacks Book) (Taschenbuch)
The question is not whether a difference exists in IQ scores between whites and blacks, but why does the difference exist! Murray and Herrnstein give a fairly convincing argument that IQ is a factor in determining ones success in life. Blacks with an IQ of 120 are just as likely to graduate from college as whites or Asians with a similar IQ, and Murray and Herrnstein note that fact in their book. However, I do think that the authors did not provide convincing evidence that IQ is primary genetic. That's the flaw of the book.
My second comment is about the racial aspect of the book. I am an African-American man, and I did not find the book to be racist. In our age of political correctness, anyone who writes about the differences between the races will likely face a firestorm of criticism, regardless of how accurate the content of the book. People of African heritage tend to run faster than people of European heritage. As a matter of fact, men of African heritage ran the top 30 times ever recorded in the 100-meter dash. If someone observed and commented about this fact, does that make him or her a racist? It certainly does not!
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5.0 von 5 Sternen An Important Book That Must Be Taken Seriously, 26. Januar 2000
Rezension bezieht sich auf: Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life (A Free Press Paperbacks Book) (Taschenbuch)
From all the negative commentary surrounding this book, one might get the impression that this is a book about race and genetics. It is not. It is a book that explores the role that intelligence plays in the formation and stratification of society. The book's main thesis is something like this: In society (America) there exists measurable differences in intelligence levels among individuals. These differences may be adequately discerned by using objective mental tests. The result of these differences in intelligence are profound. Individuals at the low end of "the bell curve" of the intelligence distribution exhibit higher rates of criminality, illegitimacy, poverty, and other social pathologies. Those with higher I.Q's, however, have the best jobs, engage in less criminal activity, and largely inhabit the upper class of America. Indeed, as the authors point out, one's I.Q. and not one's race, gender, or present social position will largely determine the type of job one will have. Society has thus become (or is fast becoming) a meritocracy according to intelligence. Those with high I.Q's (120 and above) will be the future lawyers, doctors, accountants, technicians, scientists, engineers, academics, and the like. Those who posess substandard cognitive abilities will find modern society relatively more difficult than those with high intelligence. The issue of race is covered mainly in one chapter. I must say, contrary to the critism, the authors handled this politically correct issue with much civility and restraint. If the book is read with care, one will notice that conclusions are not made where the evidence does not warrant them. The authors simply present the most current and relevant evidence (from both sides) and either conclude that additional evidence is required or they provide a conclusion that is warranted. One point that bears repeating on the issue of race and intelligence: every race is represented throughout the distribution of intelligence. That is, though certain groups (races), may be found more frequently on the distribution in certain parts, individual members of all the groups are represented in all parts of the distribution. If we then accept the fact that individuals always differ with respect to intelligence and we understand the previous sentence, I see no reason to fear the data presented in this book with regards to race and intellligence. For the two previous sentence make clear that one's race does not determine one's cognitive ability and the authors make no claim to the contrary. The book as a piece of scholarship is first rate and highly readable.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Curving the Myth of The Bell Curve, 11. Juli 2000
Rezension bezieht sich auf: Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life (A Free Press Paperbacks Book) (Taschenbuch)
The Bell Curve is a marvelous compilation of scientific theory, statistical data, and controversial convictions, one of the finest works in its genre. Charles Murray and the late Richard J. Herrnstein make claims that intelligence and IQ play a key role in the shaping of the framework of society, and use proven statistics and graphs to appropriately justify their thesis. From their perspective, the cognitive and social underclass is largely responsible for many of the social ills of society (crime, illegitimacy, substance abuse), while the 'cognitive elite' live in peace and prosperity while attending opera and orchestral concerts, detached from the average Joe of society. A small but significant portion of the book is dedicated to on racial and ethnic differences in intelligence and the consequences of these results - sure to ignite passionate debate.
No doubt conservatives, Murray and Herrnstein make a variety of proposals to better this nation - they denounce welfare and affirmative action, believe that funding should be diverted away from the disadvantaged to the gifted, and praise the American school system in its success in streaming the 'cognitive elite', however poor, to top Ivy League schools. There is special resentment towards single mothers who, intellectually deficient themselves, give birth to 'dumb babies' at a high rate ('giving birth to violent criminals in boys and more single mothers in girls'), while the 'cognitive elite' continue to have low fertility rates, putting the nation at risk of dysgenesis.
Such cries of doomsday are quite prominent throughout the book, but Murray and Herrnstein present utopian views of a future custodial state, in which the cognitive elite take care of the growing underclass, to keep the dumb 'happy' and the smart 'safe' from their hazard.
However controversial, their claims are poignant and right-on-the-money, and this provocative work is a must read for those concerned about the present and future state of America.
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4.0 von 5 Sternen noch immer keine deutsche übersetzung, 15. April 2007
Rezension bezieht sich auf: Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life (A Free Press Paperbacks Book) (Taschenbuch)
die inhalte des buches sind mittlerweile wohl jedem bekannt. mir selber fehlen die möglichkeiten, um nachzuprüfen, ob das gesamte statistische material haltbar ist, ich sehe jedoch in der diskussion, dass die fachgelehrten die beiden autoren nicht anhand des zahlenmaterials angreifen, sondern dass die angriffe sehr stark ideologisch motiviert sind. aussagekräftig ist für mich jedoch die tatsache, dass in sehr vielen vorwiegend "europäisch" bzw "asiatisch" geprägten gesellschaften nach wegfall wirtschaftlicher schranken eine deutliche materielle aufwärtsbewegung zu sehen ist. in afrikanischen gesellschaften, die nun auch schon lange den kolonialismus mehr oder weniger überwunden haben, sehe ich keine beispiele des materiellen aufstiegs. richard lynn und tatu vanhanen bieten dazu eine interessante these, die mit den daten von "bell curve" übereinstimmt. dass nach mehr als zehn jahren zu einem so kontroversen buch noch keine deutsche übersetzung vorliegt, spricht bände - über die deutsche geistesfreiheit.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen A triumph of logic and valor, 24. März 1999
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This book is as much about logic as it is about race. It was written by an Ashkenasic Semite and a European Caucasoid for those whose rationality is strong enough to override their emotions and the propaganda of the media-educational brainwash complex. Those who feel it is not racist to blame Whites for Black failure without any evidence but who never miss an opportunity to accuse Whites of racism even if they dare to acknowledge the intellectual superiority of North East Asians will not understand it. They lack the IQ to participate in a productive economy or in sound debate, so they are in academia.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen A book of science, not propaganda., 1. Januar 2000
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Just as it was predicted on its cover The Bell Curve did stir up controversy. I started reading it with a heavy dose of skepticism, but I found its arguments, its conclusions and the researches they are based on flawless and utterly believable. It did convince me that intelligence in some limited ways IS measurable.
What disturbs me the most about the controversy surrounding this book is its misguided narrow focus that actually takes away the attention from the frightening conclusions that have serious implications about the kind of society our children will live in. The Bell Curve is about social stratification, about the process that is turning the social gap between the haves and the have-nots into a gap between the can-dos and the can-nots. The picture is not pretty. It seems that we are moving toward a Brave New World by natural selection.
This book is not about race. Although race is undeniably part of the problem, it is not what this book is all about or what it should be read for. While it is absolutely true, that based on solid (and I repeat SOLID) evidence The Bell Curve points to a difference between the average IQ of blacks and whites, it also points out, based on the same solid research, that the average IQ of blacks as a group is growing faster than the average IQ of whites. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Blacks started with a disadvantage, they have to play catch-up, and they are doing a pretty good job at it. Only we cannot really say that as it touches on the essential schizophrenia of black politics. On the one hand it is not acceptable to say that blacks are inferior in any respect, while on the other hand whites (and the Jews and the evil Koreans) should compensate them for all the disadvantages that their mal-treatment caused them to develop. Like everybody else in politics, politicians of black interest want to have their cake and eat it too.
Should you read this book? ABSOLUTELY! It is one of the most important books of the decade, just like Losing Ground was of the eighties. It will not make you happy as the picture is bleak but it contains knowledge that we all should have. The authors do not (really) show a direction. They do not have answers to the problems they describe. They do not have to. This is a book of science, not propaganda.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Open Your Eyes and Face the Truth, 19. November 1998
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When I started to read this book I was totally unawere of the media attention it had obtained in the US, since I live in Europe. After completing it I was sure that this work was a well accepted and used (not the least in forming new policys). just for fun I decided to take a look at other people's reviews on Amazon. I found it very strange, that some people class this book as "racist".
Since the discursus lies on race (which is not the mean issue in the book), my question would be: How can we assume that different races have equal IQ, when they have totally different cultures and are very different in many other ways besides IQ (for instance the looks), the same question was asked by the authors in the book. Todays America seems to be ashemed of acceptig that the world doesn't (thank God) consist of equal people, which would be very boring and is completely impossible.
So, please, dont't be scared of people calling this book racist - it's not. In the question of race, it only opens our eyes to see yet another difference. It also tryes to find ways to make the world more (or the US) more just.
The Bell Curve is definitely worthwhile reading and is definitely a good way to learn more about intelligence and how it impacts our lives every day.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Does the bell curve destroy hope?, 20. August 1999
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Though many have pointed out some of the statistical flaws in "The Bell Curve" since its publication, serious people can no longer doubt that the main ideas proposed by the authors are highly likely to be true. Anyone with an above average intelligence who has lived in neighborhoods and attended schools with people of lower intelligence can attest to the idea that intelligence is largely innate. But the real issue is no longer whether intelligence is largely genetic or correlates well with socioeconomic status, but rather whether or not these ideas should become a part of our social consciousness. There is a kind of this-worldly eschatological hope in the idea that all people are truly equal and will some day attain the highest levels of human life. At this point in our history, the question is whether it is in our best interest to destroy this hope, or whether we should embrace the kind of natural caste system that "The Bell Curve" proposes.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Race is a biological concept but it is a social reality., 3. August 1998
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Race is a biological concept but it is a social reality. The book raises the questions and the supporting data that are offensive, and emotions are high on all sides. The people who reject this book should clam down and actually look at the data and the reasoning in this book, and try to answer the tough questions. Race per sec does not matter, nor it determines IQ. It is the social culture that is behind a race that matters (attitudes toward eduaction, working habits ...etc), as shown on this book. Believing all races are created equally in all aspects may provide one the feeling of instant moral superiority, but history suggests, and the data on this book indicates, that ideal world are just imaginations.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Interesting book -- it's about intelligence, not race., 11. Januar 1997
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While the popular press has spent a lot of energy talking
about what this book has to say about correlations between
race and intelligence, the book deals with that only
peripherally. It is fundamentally about intelligence and how
it correlates with a host of problems in our society. The
authors conclude (based on reams of cited references) that
a) stupid people do stupid things and b) while it appears
that intelligence is predominantly genetic, it is no easier
to change the environmental portion than the genetic portion.
The last chapter has an interesting (good) defense of our social
welfare state.
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