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am 15. Februar 2006
TSOB gehört neben den beiden "Ismael" und "Ismaels Geheimnis" (original: "Ishmael" und "My Ishmael") zu der sogenannten Ishmael-Triologie. Leider wurde dieses Buch hier, der zweite Teil nie ins Deutsche übersetzt. Wer aber offen für die englische Sprache ist und gerne mehr über Daniel Quinns Gedankengänge erfahren will, wird sicher seinen Spaß an diesem Buch haben.
Allerdings sollten Leser von "Ismael" und/oder "Ismaels Geheimnis" wissen, dass TSOB ein völlig anderer Stil ist. Zwar gibt es dort auch eine Art Lehrer wie in den anderen beiden den Gorilla Ismael und es gibt auch hier viele Gespräche, die für uns alle wichtig sind. Aber was TSOB von den anderen beiden unterscheidet ist, dass es eine solide, mitreißende Handlung hat und das von vorne bis hinten. Das ist, was mancher bei den anderen beiden Ismael-Büchern möglicherweise vermisst (ich jedenfalls zum Teil). Der Priester Jared Osborne (aus dessen Sicht alles erzählt wird) erzählt so spannend und gut, dass man fast glauben mag, die Geschichte wäre wahr. Aber selbst wenn sie es nicht ist, was dahinter steckt geht jeden von uns etwas an und IST wahr.
Manches relevantes, was da besprochen wird, fließt als "secret teachings" unmittelbar in die Geschichte mit ein. Die sogenannten "public teachings", die Reden, die B hält, sind an die Geschichte angehängt. Das ist etwas, was das Buch besonders macht. Der Leser kann selbst entscheiden, ob er die Reden gleich liest, wie sie kommen, oder erst das Buch zu Ende bringt und dann alle Reden durch liest.
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am 26. Juli 2000
So you read Ishmael and you thought it was amazing. Then you read My Ishmael and everything started to clear up a bit... you sort of began to understand what it was DQ was talking about. Then you read Beyond Civilization and you were like, "That's it...I've got all I need!" Before you start thinking you know what's going on, read The Story of B. For in this book is where it all is. It is truly the 'nail in the coffin'. I sometimes think you could do away with all the others and still get it with The Story of B. But I challenge you, the reader, to do this. Read Ishmael, read My Ishamael, read Beyond Civilization and then hammer that nail in the coffin with The Story of B.
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am 27. April 2000
You should read Ishmael first, and then read the Story of B. It builds nicely on the basic concepts presented in Ishmael. There is a bit more of a story and the book's layout is strange. There is a section in the back that has the public teachings of B. This is kind of cool because you can skip the story and just read the sort of lectures. You end up jumping back and forth if you want to read everything in sequence. The Book is excellent. It makes some good points and goes further than Ishmael did. It really is one of those life changing books. It challenges you to think about the modern world. It does a good job of showing that the stock market and SUVs won't help to stop humanity from destroying itself. It does a good job of showing how relgion has aided in the degredation of the earth. There is also a very cool interpritation of the nature of the anti-christ in the book. Somebody with more religious convictions than I would probabally find this book more troubling, but I would recommend it to anybody. Read Ishmael and then read the Story of B. You may hate it (probabally not), but it will make you use your brain.
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am 7. März 2000
The Story of B was by far the best and most difficult of Quinn's works for me. Ishmael and My Ishmael helped me to see the curtain that has been pulled over my eyes and the Story of B has ripped that curtian down. For those that say Ishmael and My Ishmael were too simplistic and "duh" (to quote a fellow reviewer)-- please try The Story of B. For me personally I am not sure I would have been able to get through B without the first 2. Growing up drenched in the culture of this society and hearing constantly not to question took a while to break down (that is what Ishmael and My Ishmael did for me). Above all I would say that read the book- you have nothing to loose, except humanity!
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am 12. November 1998
What can I say about a book that single handedly renders every major world religion impotent, then explains the root of every major societal ill all in three hundred pages. Quinn maps out incredibly simple and credible hypotheses about the origins of human intelligence, language and religion that hinge on some simple assumptions and evolutionary theory. The author also outlines how, when and where western culture developed its catastrophic method of "subduing" the earth and its inhabitants. I am the last person to fatuously subscribe to far flung theories that might prove impossible to verify. But Quinn's vast general knowledge coupled with his mastery of scientific reasoning and inductive logic are a nearly incorruptible combination. This book can change your worldview if you leave your mind open and put some thought into it.
The only problem I have with "B" is Quinn's lack of facility with narrative and developing characters. The main chracter is infuriatingly obtuse and by implication, the reader too is supposed to be equally comfounded by Quinn's message. At times the tone of condescension is almost unbearable. Quinn should abandon the use of the novel as a teaching method and present his ideas in a nonfictional context.
Overall, though, I would implore the reader to plow through some of the plot points and absorb the information contained therein. It is revolutionary in its implications and overwhelmingly enjoyable.
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am 27. Juli 1998
I am new to this author's work. The concerns he raises and the anthropological examples he uses were new to me three decades ago. The story he uses as a gimmick to present his arguments is so flat as to be a distraction. The main character is infuriating in his thickness--especially since he is supposed to have a doctorate! Of course he is using the main character as a strawman for his ecological argument but he is so dumb that he is a destraction. He also makes assumptions about Catholic theology that are shallow, further reducing the credibility of the main character.
He offers animism as a healthier worldview than our present agricultural based worldview. Now I have a great respect for the animistic worldview, as I have seen aspects of it up close among non-Western people. He hinted at some of the beauty of this worldview but really didn't do it much justice--for a book that is supposed to be proposing it as the alternative to the existing Western vision. N! either does he explain why so many non-western people turn away from that vision today in the face of Western technology and goodies.
The frustration is that I agree with many of the points he is trying to make but he just doesn't follow through on his thoughts with any depth. He seems to be "angelizing" animism as a world vision. Yet, he doesn't seen to grasp that vision at a level that is lived. He doesn't convey well the vision he is promoting.
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am 26. April 2000
This is, at the very least, an interesting book to read whether you end up loving or hating it, agreeing or disagreeing with the arguments. After reading some of the other reviews, I have a few comments. First, it is a work of fiction and not a historical narrative. Quinn doesn't use too much data to support his assertions, but as a work of fiction the story is just as effective in my opinion. I thought the two most interesting ideas the book offered were (1) the realities of the population explosion and how our culture is prepared (or not prepared) to deal with it and (2) the notion that the "fall" depicted in the Bible corresponds directly in time with the use of totalitarian agriculture. Some have interpreted the book as very anti-Christian, but I think his point is that "dogmatic" or "doctrinal" Christianity has contributed to our cultural problems. Quinn is not really criticizing the Spirit of Jesus' message (or the message of any other founder of the world's major religions), but rather the institutions that have been formed that don't permit a vision of any other way of life. Also, I don't think the book paints a picture of doomed planet as some have suggested, but rather a doomed CULTURE. There is still hope for humanity through changed minds (not, as Quinn points out, through more programs perpetuated by the same culture already in place).
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am 7. April 2000
I read Ishmael, and My Ishmael (both by the same author) and I found that for effectiveness, this book was much better. The book does leave out much of the evidence it needs to make it truely believeable, and the way it leads the reader on is reminiscent of the Age of Reason (during which philosophers of that time came to a lot of strange conclusions), but even so, it leaves the reader questioning everything they've been instructed to believe over the course of our culture's existance. Even if the reader doesn't entirely (or even mostly) agree with the conclusions the book presents, the book gives the reader a way to choose something other than what "Mother Culture" feeds us. It creates a very good angle on humanity, presents a powerfully convincing reason to change for the better, and gives hope that the change is indeed possible. Friends of mine are slowly basing their spiritual philosophies on Quinn's suggestions with positive results.
In short, I loved this book. It changed the path of my life.
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am 15. August 2015
Dies ist die Fortsetzung oder eine neue Entwicklung wenn man so will, zu den Büchern "Ishmael" und "My Ishmael" von Daniel Quinn.
Hier erzählen nun aber Menschen, die sich genauso wie Ishmael mit der "Kultur" oder kulturellen Entwicklung der Menschheit und dem Wachstum der Bevölkerung und möglichen Lösungen befassen. Sie treffen mit ihren Thesen auf das Unverständnis ihrer Mitmenschen, obwohl ihre Beispiele einleuchtend erscheinen und müssen sich dem Vorwurf der Antichrist zu sein, erwehren.
Wie können diese Thesen besser dargelegt werden, als gegenüber einem katholischen Priester, der im Auftrag seines Ordenschefs herausfinden soll, ob "B" tatsächlich der Antichrist ist.
Wie die vorangegangenen Bücher eine interessante Lektüre, die sicher den nachdenklich stimmen, der sowieso schon Zweifel an der Nachhaltigkeit unserer Kultur und unserem Moralverständnis hat.
(Siehe auch meine Rezension zu "My Ishmael")
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am 15. Juni 1999
First let me state that I hated Ishmael. My friends bought me The Story of B as a joke for Christmas and therefore was rather reluctant to read it. I picked it up one day, just to see if it was as bad as the original and before I knew it Quinn's ideas became clear and enveloped me. After finishing the book, I decided to give Ishmael another chance. It was then I fully realized what was wrong with the book. Unlike the Story of B which presents ideas logically, Ishmael presents ideas and then just repeats them over and over, not unlike the tactics of most religions.
As much as I detested (and still detest) Ishmael, the Story of B has led me to respect Daniel Quinn in the highest regard. I would just like to say that if you have not read any of Quinn's works, read this one. That is unless you are in grade school then Ishmael would probably be better to start with.
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