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am 30. Mai 2000
Sun Tzu is great, but once a particular translation gets to the top of Amazon, it stays there regardless. This is not the best translation of the ancient classic. Ames' and Gagliardi's are the best versions. See clearbridge web site for comparisons and lots of Art of War information.
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am 10. Juli 2000
I originally bought my first copy of this book, when I was a teenager, after I viewed the movie "Wall Street." In the movie, Gordon Gecko (Michael Douglas) tells Charlie Sheen's character to read the book and learn from it. Now that I'm older I understand what he meant. The battlefield lessons provided by Sun Tzu - can be used in today's business empires.
Many have called 'The Art of War' a Chinese version of Machievalli's 'The Prince." Both books provide a warrior/prince/manager/CEO with a way to think about problems and come up with dynamic solutions. This translation provides the work of Sun Tzu in a good translation, not great, but only good.
Another positive aspect of this book is that it doesn't define what each passage means. It lets the reader determine the meaning and personally apply it to their life and situation.
Give it a read, Sun Tzu does not disappoint and decide for yourself - what Sun Tzu wanted the reader to understand - don't be forced, as some books do, to allow them to tell you what Sun Tzu meant.
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am 4. März 2000
This is the first edition of "The Art of War" I've read and I'm glad I made the decision to pick this one up. Cleary does a remarkable job in the introduction of explaining Sun Tzu's philosophy. The peak efficiency of knowledge and strategy is to make conflict altogether unnecessary: "To overcome others' armies without fighting is the best of skills."
Also, Cleary goes into detail of the Taoist aspect of the text by using quotes and examples from other ancient writings including the Tao Te Ching.
A rather nice touch to this edition is that following each of Tzu's sentences or paragraphs (written in boldface to be indentified easily) are the further explanations of various Chinese commentators from Cao Cao in 155-200 C.E. to Ho Yanxi of the Sung Dynasty. These commentaries help to easily show the finer points of each ideology.
Overall, a quality work that I'd recommend to anyone interested in reading "The Art of War".
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am 5. Juli 2011
Diese Hörbuchaufnahme wird als ungekürzt verkauft. Und gewiss gibt es dazu eine schriftliche Vorlage, so dass dies im Prinzip als wahre Aussage gelten kann. Wer jedoch den Inhalt des Werkes aus einer anderen Übersetzung kennt, wird feststellen, dass zwar viele (zum Teil wenig hilfreiche) Kommentare enthalten sind, aber besonders bei den letzten beiden Kapiteln sehr stark gekürzt wurde. Das ist um so problematischer, als da es sich um zwei überaus spannende Kapitel handelt. Der Effekt ist, dass die Kapitel nicht mal in ihrer Essenz wiedergegeben werden. Auch sonst habe ich den Eindruck gewonnen, dass die Übersetzung nicht sehr genau, sondern eine lediglich sinngemäße Wiedergabe des Werkes von Sun Tzi ist.Schade.
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am 25. Mai 2000
If you're going to pick up a copy of the "Art of War," this particular edition is the most attractive one to have sitting in a collection. You don't have to be an ancient Chinese general to learn from Sun Tzu's 2,000 year old masterpiece. Much of this material can still be applicable in day to day life if you look past the military language. Especially recommended for people trying to get ahead in tough fields like business or politics or even just for those who happen to like philosophy. Also check out the animated Art of War by Tsai Chi Chung if you're looking for a lighter hearted presentation of this and other Chinese classics.
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am 26. Februar 2012
The monograph 'The Art Of War' by Sun Tzu is a logically structured script.
Sun Tzu provides information on general aspects of war, which alone isn't spectacular.
Spectacular is, that Sun Tzu successfully shows the motivation and the pychology behind decisions and shows circumstances in war and how to use them in order to obtain success.
The Art Of War is a very good read and a must for anybody, who enjoys traditional Asian monographs.

One drawback on the book itself:
The book of this publisher is on a low level of quality, I'd suggest spending more money on this monograph but have a properly bound book.
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am 18. Juni 2000
Thomas Cleary's 1988 edition was quite a breakthrough in its time. Readability is high and most of the vagueness of Sun Tzu clarified. Though some suggested that his translation is lacking, that opinion is incorrect. Almost all of the words translated are accurate, although it sometimes leans too much to the general reader. Its Taoist emphasis may not be accurate. The drawback to this rendering is the fact that it deleted certain sections (probably due to relevancy), but nothing too important to the overall understanding of the text.
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am 19. Dezember 2005
Today many of Sun Tzu quotas are floating around mixed with Shakespeare and the Bible. And as with many of the quote they are out of context and misleading. The quoter usually thinks repeating the word is some sort of magic.

Most versions of this work spend more time trying to identify and qualify Sun Tzu's writings than just quoting them. I will not go through all the arguments as to who "wrote what when" or "translated what when" as you can read this for yourself.

Another distraction is the attempt to show how the book was applied or not applied in recent wars. This may be interesting to someone whose intention is to apply the theories of Sun Tzu; however it is not his writing but someone else's interpretation of its application.

Now let's finally get to Sun Tzu. It is easy with hindsight and a closer look at the future to dismiss Sun Tzu as his practical tactical knowledge is of a time and place long gone. He spends a lot of time on the use of weapons and information gathering techniques of the time. This can be interesting in a historical context; other wise it is quite amusing.

Oh yes those grains of truth I mentioned, well they may sound like clich's but they are still viable. "Know your enemy and know yourself". Others are just practical sense and statistical outcomes that you learn in any military training. I could go through the list, but again that is why you buy the book.

Now just as you decide that the book is outdated for any practical purposes today we have artillery and now stealth and precision, the reminder that "no two wars are alike" and "it is flexibility that makes a difference" is being shown today to still be true. Even in today's wars there is a need for good intelligence and deception. We put a lot of time and energy into Psy-Ops. Sun Tzu shows the advantage in specialized units and crack troops.

I have spent several years in the military and in business and can say this book is a nice addition to history, otherwise of very little value to today's world for war or business.

The most abuse of this book is trying to use it for projects as project management is a science that that was in its infancy at the time this book was written.
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am 17. Februar 2000
Sun Tzu captured the ability to grab attention and then command it. Art of War tells literally how to command troops, watch them, and use them to the ultimate exploitaion of the enemy. Figuratively however, he tells how management should play their role at work, and even how great leaders should "command, watch, and use their troops." A philosophy one should not be without.
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"The Art of War" in der Wordsworth-Ausgabe geht über reine Textwiedergabe hinaus. Kein Geringerer als Volksarmee-General Tao Hanzhang schrieb es. So ist bereits eine Einführung in chinesisches Denken, wie elegant Professor Yuan Shibing als Übersetzer sich im Vorwort dafür "entschuldigt", (im Klartext:) Taos Editionsfehler korrigiert zu haben.

Rund 80 Seiten sind Taos Einleitung, seinen historischen Beispielen und seiner pflichtschuldigen Verurteilung des Feudalisten Sun-Tzus gewidmet und gerade einmal 33 Seiten dem eigentlichen Text. Vorwortschreiber Norman Stone nimmt dies chinesisch-indirekt, doch deutlich selbst aufs Korn.

Gleichzeitig ist diese Einordnung ja schon sinnvoll, denn die chinesische Sprache hat einen größeren Hang zur Mehrdeutigkeit als das Englische, Sun Tzus Abschnitte sind dies auch, und die Beispiele der Roten Armee etc. sind an sich schon interessant genug.

Sun Tzu / Sūnzǐ lebte im 6./5. Jahrhundert v. Chr. Sein "Art of War" ist aphoristisch knapp und geht stark in die Strategie. Oft geht es auch darum, wie man Kriegszüge vermeiden kann. Ohne Kampf den Gegner überlegt zu schwächen und zu brechen, so erreiche man seine Ziele. Die strategische Ausrichtung und die Mehrdeutigkeit hat Sun Tzu wohl zum Management-Buch werden lassen. Bitte missverstehen Sie es aber nicht als Quickie-Kampflektüre und Bildungsersatz für den Konferenzraum, sondern nehmen sie sich doch einfach auch Zeit fürs Buch.

Gute vier gelbe Sterne daher auf rotem Grund.
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