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4.0 von 5 Sternen An outsider's view - that works!
Picked up the book - an American author? forget it! But I decide to carry on, being "actively" involved as an English supporter in the eighties I was interested. I agree with another reviewer, people will bs, he does appear naive in some areas but that works for the book. When he describes how badly behaved our fans were, it's embarassing, but at the time it...
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3.0 von 5 Sternen Similar To Gawking At A Fatal Car Crash
As an Englishman living in Los Angeles, I have often attempted unsucessfully to communicate to American friends the mentality and culture surrounding English football (soccer) violence. Buford does a fine job in bridging that gap, and bares not a little of himself when revealing how prone most of us can be to the thrill of being part of an out-of-control group. Buford...
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4.0 von 5 Sternen An outsider's view - that works!, 22. Januar 2000
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Picked up the book - an American author? forget it! But I decide to carry on, being "actively" involved as an English supporter in the eighties I was interested. I agree with another reviewer, people will bs, he does appear naive in some areas but that works for the book. When he describes how badly behaved our fans were, it's embarassing, but at the time it meant nothing to us. One very important point (US readers take note) the deaths and diasters that took place were not really hooligan related but bad policing and organization. Buford account of Sardinia is so powerful. I must have read it 20 times. I was there and he really describes the frustration of being treated like animals and then the violence. Us in shorts the police with batons ect. Bottom line, only a few people were real wankers, most wanted a laugh but it got too serious. The author met a few head bangers and top fans- good book. You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs!
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4.0 von 5 Sternen Rude, Brittania, 4. April 2000
Bill Buford, a naive American adrift in England, tackles a very dicey subject: Mob violence by English football fans. He starts out innocently enough, trying to find the allure, cause, nature, basis, and form of England's notorious football hooligans, but soon has difficulty separating himself from his subject matter.
As he relates his journey into the world of the yobs, we get a vivid picture of the people and the events, but no real glimpse into what is behind the football mob violence -- even after Buford spends most of the second half of the book trying to work it out. The only real insight were provided is that the mob becomes greater than the sum of its parts, and that there is a line where a person within the mob ceases to be an individual, and becomes a compnent of a greater organism.
However, questions such as why sporting crowds in the US, Canada, or other countries never reach the level of violence or mob mentality as seen in England are never addressed, nor are questions of why this sort of violent behavior seems to be limited to a very large degree to football (soccer) crowds. Of course, that subject is beyond the scope of any one book.
Still, the snapshot into the seedy world of NF members, jingoistic supporters, drunks and felons provided by Buford is entertaining, in a voyeuristic sort of way. Besides, unless you are intimately familiar with crowds at English, or any European, football matches, Buford's book is best if taken as a sort of superficial sociological travelogue, offering a glimpse into a strange land, complete with foreign customs, traditions, uniforms and etiquette.
Reading 'Thugs' won't provide too much enlightentment on sports violence or the psychology of mobs, but it will entertain. And with the coming Euro2000 tournament, reading this may prove timely, as well.
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4.0 von 5 Sternen The Other Football, 31. August 1998
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Bill Buford uses two different ways to tell the tale of the English football supporter. Buford's first method, used in the beginning and end parts of the book, provide a view from the inside as the author documents his the part of his life spent, for lack of an original phrase, "among the thugs," specifically with supporters of Manchester United, one of the top teams in England's Premier League. Buford paints a harrowing picture as he describes people who are basically degenerates. Much like people used to fight in support of their country (does anyone really do that anymore?), the supporters use violence, much of it simply appaling, as their vehicle for team support.
Buford's second technique, employed in the middle section, uses a more scholarly approach as the author relates the supporters' behavior to the tenets of modern sociology, especially those that deal with the dynamics of the group or the crowd.
Although possessing a thoroughly interesting subject, especially for Americans whose sports are comparitively homoginized in the face of such thuggery, Buford's somewhat schitzophrenic approach takes away from the novel as a whole. When Buford immerses himself in the thug life, the reader immerses himself, too, thus providing for entertaining and slightly voyeuristic literature. Buford's sociology lesson is boring and repetitive, however, and the incompatible narrative methods keep the book from attaining its full depth.
In all, Buford presents an flawed yet interesting tale about a subject to which few Americans can relate.
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4.0 von 5 Sternen The View From Inside the Mob, 2. Mai 2000
Bill Buford is now fiction editor for The New Yorker. But for many years he lived in Cambridge, England, where he revived the literary quarterly Granta and brought it to prominence. While residing in Britain, he became fascinated with soccer hooligans, who visited a dreadful wave of violence on cities all over Europe in the 1980s.
There's much to commend Buford's book. The portraits of the people he comes to know are pointed, vivid, and well rounded. He's particularly able as a narrator of violence, carrying the reader along for page after page of his accounts of riots forming and then "coming off."
Much of what's interesting about the book is Buford's account of his own recognition of the inner thug, so to speak. When he begins his story, Buford is full of smug generalities and facile answers. He's sure he knows who the thugs are -- young, unemployed, uneducated yobs -- and why they're wild in the streets -- social protest. Then he begins to meet some of them and enter their social sphere, and realizes he's wrong. Many of them are older than he'd thought, family men with children and decent jobs. They're not protesting anything -- they're fighting because it's fun. And as he gains acceptance among them, Buford realizes that he, too, feels an atavistic thrill when the combat begins.
English readers have suggested that Buford may have been taken in a few times by Brits having some fun with a gullible Yank. That might well be, but most of the book is an eyewitness account. Compelling reading.
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4.0 von 5 Sternen Not bad, But..., 4. September 1999
Von Ein Kunde
As a West Ham fan I read this book, written by an American, with a healthy dose of scepticism. After all, how could someone from the nation who turned the World Cup into a carnival be taken seriously? (Incidentally, I'm not saying that was a bad thing, its just not what football is about) Buford actually captures the atmosphere very well . I thought most of the book caught the atmosphere very well, the Liverpool fans on the special was an excellent opening.
But..
He does seem to be a bit naive at times though, I've never met anyone to back up the 'eyeball sucking' story. Correct me if I'm wrong...
Also, the book is a bit out of date now, no mention of organising via mobile phone. There aren't mass rows on the terraces (what terraces? Greatly missed, no one sits down anyway!). A better book on the whole culture is Hoolifan even though its about Chelscum. Gardiner, your missing out on making some money here! Anyway, we're in Europe and THEY still have terracing...
Come on you fucking Irons...
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5.0 von 5 Sternen A facinating read about life with Man U fans (not Liverpool), 3. Juli 1998
Von Ein Kunde
The book is a good representation of what happened in the eighties at soccer matches. Although the violence has retreated into the streets and pubs away from the ground it is still there. Bill Burford has a very witty style and I couldn't stop laughing about his description of the English abroad, Man Utd at Juventus and England in Italy. Although he witnesses or was described some horrific things he manages to put across the story as though he was starting to get sucked in by the atmosphere and comradeship found at these events. I'm sure if he had been British the story would not have been the same as it is his american slant on things that I found most entertaining. I saw many incidents at soccer matches before coming to NZ and could indentify in what Bill describes. He also gets a good look at the different aspects by looking at racism and local rivalry with Millwall and West Ham. All together a brilliant book.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Definitely one to read., 31. Juli 1999
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I couldn't stop reading this. We went to a friends house and I sat and read this book in the corner (easily one of the most impolite things I have ever done, but there was no way in hell I was stopping reading). I lived in London in the late eighties, working between Highbury & Islington tube station and Arsenal's ground and can remember the shops and pubs closing early on Wednesdays if there was a game. I can also remember the warnings not to work late, etc. I never understood why until I read this book. These people were (are?) the cruelest, nastiest people alive, and Bill Buford deserves endless credit for the quality of this book.
One last thought, we often hear that it was the average person that served as the guards in concentration camps, etc., well after reading this book I think it is the thugs who are described here, not the average Joe - so I feel better about the rest of humanity.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Terrific ... within limits, 29. Dezember 1999
This is a terrifying, fascinating book. I have recommended it to many friends. Buford is a wonderful observer, capable of capturing and relating the mood and mayhem of his surroundings. The subject matter is at once hilarious and frightening. In one moment, drunken footballs fans are described crawling beneath the seats of an airliner as they stowaway on a flight to Europe. In the another, an innocent bystander is beaten bloody in front of his family as these very same supporters rampage their way to a match.
In simply describing these scenes, Buford is brilliant. Where he, and the book, overreach is in trying to determine why such seemingly ordinary people regularly go off the deep end. Buford's attempts at explanation are somewhat ponderous and, at the same time, superficial. Still, the stilted social commentary hardly detracts from what is an otherwise excellent read.
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5.0 von 5 Sternen Football violence, just crowd culture ?, 28. März 1998
It was Bill Shankly, ex Liverpool manager, who said "Football is'nt a matter of life and death, it's more important than that". This book goes someway to capture the passion and importance of Football in English culture, and the extreme lengths that some so called supporters go to feel that they belong. As a true English Football supporter, I felt somewhat annoyed that readers of the book from other countries would feel that all English Football supporters behave in this manner, this is NOT true. But this book does accurately portray the minority who caused and still cause the atrocities described. The book works on two levels, to shock with horrific stories of brutal violence, and at a much deeper level to explain crowd behaviour and how this can be manipulated. Overall this is a valiant attempt by an American to explain English Football violence, which to my suprise was successfull.
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3.0 von 5 Sternen Similar To Gawking At A Fatal Car Crash, 21. Februar 2000
As an Englishman living in Los Angeles, I have often attempted unsucessfully to communicate to American friends the mentality and culture surrounding English football (soccer) violence. Buford does a fine job in bridging that gap, and bares not a little of himself when revealing how prone most of us can be to the thrill of being part of an out-of-control group. Buford gets swept along with the thugs and clearly begins to enjoy the sensation. What the author fails to capture is how great a part ritual and stylization play in the violence. For as frightening as it is to observe, football hooliganism has a long, long way to go before it reaches the insanity of the literal street wars of America's gang culture with it's ubiquitous fatal outcomes. I lend this book to Americans now, rather than trying to describe football hooliganism. They love it.
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