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Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 19.05.2008 17:08:26 GMT+02:00
hurricane meint:
Hi, late though i am, i would like to contribute:
if you like fantasy/sci fi, try the Torchwood series (BBC), the main character is a rather omnisexual human/alien from the 51st century, incredibly sexy and funny.
also, my first books on that subject (at least partly) was the outremer series by chaz brenchley (hand of the kings evil) (i forgot the other titles), i only read three of them, and still get goosebumps remembering some of the scenes :-).
if you like love between women, try "tipping the velvet" or "daughters of a coral dawn" (though last one would also fall in the category of "naughty").

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 25.05.2008 17:02:41 GMT+02:00
Hello Aldebaran1977,
I suggest that you read the three triologies from Robin Hobb again, because it is Amber in the Living Ship series is none other the the Fool from the Assassin and the Fool series. The Fool who is in love with Fritz on so many levels is no male, that comes out in the Fool series. Still in the assassin series it is not clear and makes for a super M/M series. Robin Hobb is a super author and somebody please list a book that I have not read......Please.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 30.05.2008 18:55:51 GMT+02:00
Zuletzt vom Autor geändert am 31.05.2008 22:24:49 GMT+02:00
Tante Li meint:
Hi Mathias Heller,
maybe one of them is new to you:

- Time of Our Darkness by Stephen Gray
- Le Coeur Dècouvert (in engl. Making Room) by Michel Tremblay
- The Swimming-Pool Library by Alan Hollinghurst
- A Place I've Never Been by David Leavitt
- Em Nome do Desejo (in dt. Im Namen der Begierde) by Joao Silverio Trevisan
- The Man Who Fell in Love with the Moon by Tom Spanbauer
- Song of the Loon by Richard Amory

Warning: they are no fantasy nor science fiction!

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 31.05.2008 21:13:44 GMT+02:00
V. Wanner meint:
Lot's of the usual suspects have been named in this thread (Tanya Huff, Sarah Monette, Lynn Flewelling etc.) but another very well known contender in the m/m-sff world is :

"Swordspoint" by Ellen Kushner.

My absolute favorite because of the superior use of language Ms. Kushner employs. No explicit sex, but much unlike Hobb's Farseer an actual m/m relationship. For a plot description just check out Amazon's page for it.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 01.06.2008 11:41:32 GMT+02:00
M. Wagner meint:
I also recommend the sequels "The Fall of the Kings" by Ellen Kushner and Delia Sherman, as well as "Privilege of the Sword" again by Kushner. In "The Fall of the Kings" the relationship is a bit more explicitly depicted. Also, I think both books are more interesting than "Swordspoint".

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 10.06.2008 21:35:41 GMT+02:00
At deep feelings between men I had to think immediatly about Jamie Frasier and Lord John Grey in Diana Gabaldon's Outlander series. The books really evolve around the love and lifes of Jamie and Claire, but Lord John's (though he appears first in the third installment) and Jamie's relationship is special and hard to define, especially without giving away spoilers.
And Lord John by himself even was honoured by Gabaldon with a spin-off historical mystery series, starting of with "Lord John and the private matter".

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 12.06.2008 08:44:50 GMT+02:00
Tedesca meint:
H Tante Li,

I just came upon "The Lost Language of Cranes" by David Leavitt:
The story focuses on Philip Benjamin, a 25-year-old New Yorker, somewhat naive but definitely gay, who is involved in his first "serious" romance. This situation is complicated by the struggle of Philip's father to deal more openly with his own longstanding, but thus far closeted, homosexual inclinations. With Philip's coming out, father is thrown into even greater turmoil, mother begins to realize the complete truth, and all are forced to reexamine the ties that bind them. Leavitt again proves adept at looking into the complexities of familial relationships and generational differences.

It's a long time ago that I actually read it, but I remember that it left a deep impression.

Kind regards,
tedesca

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 14.06.2008 13:24:13 GMT+02:00
kyrrdis meint:
I have recently discovered writer Rich Merritt and read and enjoyed his novel "Code of conduct". It is about the half-world in which homosexual men and women in the Marine Corps have to live. Unread on my shelf I have Merritt's autobiography with the subtle title "Secrets of a gay marine porn star". Might not be a book I want to read in the bus, but I am very much looking forward to it.

And you might like to check out Mary Renault, in whose books relationships between men always play a big role. Especially "The charioteer" (one of the most beautiful books I have ever read), "The mask of Apollo", "The last of the wine" and the first two of her Alexander the Great trilogy, "Fire from heaven" and "The persian boy".

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 17.06.2008 18:03:01 GMT+02:00
Hi,
probiere mal die Autoren John Michael Ford, William J. Mann und natürliczh Patricia Neil WArren mit ihrer excellenten Trilogie über den FRONT RUNNER.
Enjoy!

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 17.06.2008 18:25:20 GMT+02:00
Zuletzt vom Autor geändert am 21.05.2009 19:28:06 GMT+02:00
Tante Li meint:
Thanks,
the correct title is: "The Front Runner" by Patricia Nell Warren
(just in case somebody is looking for it)

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 27.06.2008 09:36:20 GMT+02:00
Tedesca meint:
Hi Li,

now that I know what you like, I can also recomment "Faggots" by Larry Kramer.
"Thirty-nine-year-old Fred Lemish had always hoped that love would find him by the age of forty, and with four days to go, he begins a compulsive, yet humorous, search for that love and commitment, in a classic novel of gay life"

Regards,
tedesca

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 07.07.2008 15:09:06 GMT+02:00
Zuletzt vom Autor geändert am 07.07.2008 15:25:07 GMT+02:00
Tante Li meint:
Vielen Dank an alle, die mir so schöne Vorschläge gemacht haben.

Hier habe ich noch ein paar Tipps aus anderen Foren gesammelt, die zum Thema passen:

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Tanja meint:
Hallo Tante Li,
Denn ich wache über deinen Schlaf von Stephan Niederwieser,
Ruf mich bei deinem Namen von André Aciman,
Die Tage der Bluegrass Liebe von Edward van de Vendel
sind ganz wunderbar, letzteres ist eher ein Jugendbuch, aber auch für die Großen sehr lesenswert.

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Mister Briggs meint:
Hallo Li,

ich fürchte da kann ich Ihnen wenig helfen. So ganz ist das nicht mein Thema und das einzige was mir hierzu einfällt, sind die "Stadtgeschichten" von Amistead Maupin. Wenn es etwas für den Appetit auf schwere Kost sein soll "Tod in Venedig" von Thomas Mann.

Beste Grüße
Mr Briggs

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" ... gebe ich Ihnen noch einen gratis Buchtipp: "Michael Tolliver lebt" von Amistead Maupin.

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Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 07.07.2008 21:43:25 GMT+02:00
CG meint:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Lonesome Dove yet! I consider it one of the best novels ever written. It won the Pulitzer Prize for fiction in 1986 and was written by Larry McMurtry, who also adapted Brokeback Mountain for the screen, winning an Oscar in the process. It's the story of a group of former Texas Rangers and their move to Montana with a herd of cattle.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 11.07.2008 16:12:43 GMT+02:00
lanbiya meint:
Hallo,
ich empfehle dir sehr eindringlich "Rotes Glas" von Maria McCann (englisch: As Meat Loves Salt). Ist aber nichts für schwache Nerven. Sehr berührend und aufwühlend; man denkt noch lange darüber nach.
Lieben Gruß

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 11.07.2008 20:44:40 GMT+02:00
Reader10 meint:
"Borrowed time" by Paul Monette. Keine leichte Kost, aber sehr berührend und aufwühlend und von großer menschlicher Wärme.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 03.08.2008 18:35:27 GMT+02:00
Zuletzt vom Autor geändert am 03.08.2008 23:35:55 GMT+02:00
sista A meint:
Hello Tante Li,

I just finished reading a novel that should be right up your alley: "A Strong and Sudden Thaw" by R.W. Day. It's a very nice love story and it's got dragons in it. Or was it only me who liked the dragons? ;-) - Anyway - I really liked the narration and it left me with a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, which doesn't happen very often with post-apocalyptic science fiction. So all in all it was a quite enjoyable read. There are a couple of flaws concerning the sub-plots but they hopefully will be remedied by the planned sequel. Amazon.com has a Search-Inside and a number of reviews.

PS. Speaking of sequels: I want to slap Lynn Flewelling silly! Another duology?! I hate it when books end with all the storylines dangeling and I have to wait for another year *pout*.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 04.08.2008 19:47:00 GMT+02:00
Zuletzt vom Autor geändert am 04.08.2008 19:52:11 GMT+02:00
Tante Li meint:
Hello Sista A,

This recommendation sounds realy interesting and I like the language the author used to describe the surrounding.

Yes, I am disappointed of Lynn Flewellings Sequel, too. Why didn't she worked this story out to a complete book?
Maybe I should correct my voting (?) and reduce it to only three stars. But because I was the first to write a rezension (and it was the very first I ever wrote) I gave it four stars.

Kind regards

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 07.08.2008 10:35:37 GMT+02:00
Dr. Zook meint:
Yes, thanks for all the books I've never heard of before.
I'm also quite interested in the different shades of male relationships; one of my favourite authors ever actually has in each of his stories some of these. From deep and absolute friendship to very physical ways of showing attraction. He adapted historical topics: the Nibelungen saga (with a spin-off about Hagen, called "Attila's Treasure"/"Wodans Fluch" - it's seriously the best, because it totally hits my streak for shamanism, young dark hero attached to his heritage but not to mankind, huns, and old nordic mythology), the Gilgamesh saga, some satanistic stuff during Middle-Ages etc. Therefore I recommend Stephan Grundy. All of his books. Period.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 07.08.2008 10:37:33 GMT+02:00
Dr. Zook meint:
Yes, thanks for all the books I've never heard of before. I'm also quite interested in the different shades of male relationships; one of my favourite authors ever actually has in each of his stories some of these. From deep and absolute friendship to very physical ways of showing attraction. He adapted historical topics: the Nibelungen saga (with a spin-off about Hagen, called "Attila's Treasure"/"Wodans Fluch" - it's seriously the best, because it totally hits my streak for shamanism, young dark hero attached to his heritage but not to mankind, huns, and old nordic mythology), the Gilgamesh saga, some satanistic stuff during Middle-Ages etc. Therefore I recommend Stephan Grundy. All of his books. Period.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 08.08.2008 12:46:43 GMT+02:00
A. Märten meint:
Hi Lina, I took that way too. But I found that I was so saturated by repeating plotbunnys and slightly off characterisations that I have come to appreciate more high-browish approaches to the topic. I still read fan fiction, I still read naughty stuff from time to time but only by my favorite authors. Good authors in fanfiction are rather an exception than the rule. Most of my favorite writers are in publishing in real life, one writes excellent reviews of TV shows for a living, an other is a TV show writer herself. So they know what they are doing and the stories are most rewarding for the reader.
Coming back to the actual topic ;-)
Has anyone of you read the stories of Josef Winkler who has received 2008s Georg-Büchner-Preis? Many of his books evolve around the motive of two young homosexuals struggeling with their fate in a small Austrian village. Id love to know whether his books are recommendable...

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 08.08.2008 22:02:32 GMT+02:00
Zuletzt vom Autor geändert am 08.08.2008 22:26:24 GMT+02:00
sista A meint:
Hi Tante Li,

maybe it was the decision of Lynn Flewelling's publishers = two slim books make more money than one fat one? Unfortunately this often ends with two mediocre books instead of one book that with a little judicious editing might have been great. Oh well, we can only hope. And wait *snarl*.

The Olympics and the mentioning of "The Frontrunner" reminded me of a book that I found really impressive though it is something quite different from the rather cosy ones I recommended so far: "Breaking the Surface", the autobiography of Greg Louganis, who was a world-famous diver in the 70s and 80s, and won several medals in three different Olympic Games. A quote from the introduction:
" 'Breaking the Surface' is the story of a lonely boy who struggled with dyslexia and discrimination yet discovered he had a great gift for acrobatics and diving. It's about a shy kid who battled low self-esteem, bouts of depression, and conflicts over his sexuality yet still went on to become one of the most accomplished divers of all time. It's about a man who had a world of opportunities yet lost his way when those opportunities ended. And it's the story of a man who is learning to live with HIV."
Though it is certainly more interesting for people with an interest in sports, and especially the fates of gay people in athletics it is also a moving account of a very brave person's life. Again, Amazon.com has a Search-Inside.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 11.08.2008 22:24:40 GMT+02:00
Zuletzt vom Autor geändert am 11.08.2008 22:26:42 GMT+02:00
Pseudonym007 meint:
I've started a list with my favorite M/M books:

Slashy Books - M/M relationships
http://www.amazon.de/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/R14SLB4VIJSN49/

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 27.10.2008 16:05:42 GMT+01:00
Tante Li meint:
Thank you, sista A, for this tip. I know the movie of "Breaking the Surface". It is realy moving.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 29.10.2008 13:50:50 GMT+01:00
Frau Holle meint:
I don't know if it fits your description exactly, but "The Persian Boy" by Mary Renault is an absolute classic - a slave recounts the history of his relationship with Alexander the Great.

Antwort auf einen früheren Beitrag vom 29.10.2008 23:05:28 GMT+01:00
Zuletzt vom Autor geändert am 29.10.2008 23:06:10 GMT+01:00
sommerklang meint:
Try this one: Geister der gelben Blätter
"Geister der gelben Blätter" von M. G. Schoeneberg.
It's german and the deep feelings between men is maybe not the main point but it's very erotic ...
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