I don't know, Leonard, I think I'm going to have to give it three - well, it's not quite four. Maybe three and a half. It sounds like some of that stuff that's coming from some of those New Academic bands - where's that - Guelph? Also at Columbia there's a group of those guys. George Lewis can play that stuff, but some of the guys that follow George, well, they just haven't paid their dues! You can't just LEAP into the Post - Modern. You gotta know the tradition. It's not the quality of the questions. The questions are great. The answers? The answers are just too basic and self - satisfied and lacking in nuance. But you know, it's like Mintons and Joe Guy. A lot of the older cats, they learned about what Bebop was gonna be as a trumpet language from Joe Guy. And then Dizzy and Fats came along and washed him away. It's like, if you were gonna provide a real alternative to Roy Eldridge, you'd have to be able to have assimilated Roy in order to provide a really effective next step. These guys couldn't get on the bandstand in Paris w/ Barthes or Jacques D. (zikhrono livrakha) in a cutting contest. They'd get blown away! I mean it's cool that American Jazz Cats are trying to speak this language. But France is where the real stuff is. A guy who's trying to learn this stuff just from books and who hasn't really done their time defending it in the cafés - well, maybe in a generation or two, some little guy from Lawrence, Kansas or Grinnell, Iowa might be able to really swing and play this kind of blues. It's not ethnicity - it's GROWING Up with this kind of language as your culture! I don't think I like this one as much as that Robert Walser one you played before.