In weniger als einer Minute können Sie mit dem Lesen von Authentic Fire: A Response to John MacArthur's Strange Fire auf Ihrem Kindle beginnen. Sie haben noch keinen Kindle? Hier kaufen oder mit einer unserer kostenlosen Kindle Lese-Apps sofort zu lesen anfangen.

An Ihren Kindle oder ein anderes Gerät senden


Kostenlos testen

Jetzt kostenlos reinlesen

An Ihren Kindle oder ein anderes Gerät senden

Der Artikel ist in folgender Variante leider nicht verfügbar
Keine Abbildung vorhanden für
Keine Abbildung vorhanden


Authentic Fire: A Response to John MacArthur's Strange Fire (English Edition) [Kindle Edition]

Michael L. Brown
5.0 von 5 Sternen  Alle Rezensionen anzeigen (2 Kundenrezensionen)

Kindle-Preis: EUR 7,51 Inkl. MwSt. und kostenloser drahtloser Lieferung über Amazon Whispernet

Kostenlose Kindle-Leseanwendung Jeder kann Kindle Bücher lesen  selbst ohne ein Kindle-Gerät  mit der KOSTENFREIEN Kindle App für Smartphones, Tablets und Computer.

Geben Sie Ihre E-Mail-Adresse oder Mobiltelefonnummer ein, um die kostenfreie App zu beziehen.



Amazon #1 Bestseller!
Authentic Fire, by Michael L. Brown, is written in response to Strange Fire, written by Dr. John MacArthur. It is with good reason that pastors and leaders who differ with Dr. MacArthur on the issue of the Charismatic Movement do so with deference and respect, since his very substantial and beneficial contribution to the Church in this generation is undeniable. If we had more leaders like John MacArthur, the Church and the world would be in much better shape. But Pastor MacArthur's criticisms of the Charismatic Movement are inaccurate, unhelpful, often harshly judgmental, sometimes without scriptural support, and frequently divisive in the negative sense of the word. When he damns millions of godly believers, demeans the real work of the Spirit, accuses true worshipers of blaspheming the Spirit, and calls for an all-out war against the Charismatic Movement, a strong corrective is needed, along with a positive statement of the truth of the matter. Authentic Fire is not meant to be a rebuttal of Strange Fire at every point. Instead, while interacting at times with material from the book and conference, and while correcting what the author believes to be serious errors and misstatements, the book is more of a positive response to Strange Fire. Authentic Fire will serve a lasting, worthwhile purpose even for those who will never read Strange Fire.


  • Format: Kindle Edition
  • Dateigröße: 3831 KB
  • Seitenzahl der Print-Ausgabe: 326 Seiten
  • Gleichzeitige Verwendung von Geräten: Keine Einschränkung
  • Verlag: Excel Publishers (12. Dezember 2013)
  • Verkauf durch: Amazon Media EU S.à r.l.
  • Sprache: Englisch
  • Text-to-Speech (Vorlesemodus): Aktiviert
  • X-Ray:
  • Word Wise: Nicht aktiviert
  • Durchschnittliche Kundenbewertung: 5.0 von 5 Sternen  Alle Rezensionen anzeigen (2 Kundenrezensionen)
  • Amazon Bestseller-Rang: #212.278 Bezahlt in Kindle-Shop (Siehe Top 100 Bezahlt in Kindle-Shop)

  •  Ist der Verkauf dieses Produkts für Sie nicht akzeptabel?

Mehr über den Autor

Entdecken Sie Bücher, lesen Sie über Autoren und mehr


4 Sterne
3 Sterne
2 Sterne
1 Sterne
5.0 von 5 Sternen
5.0 von 5 Sternen
Die hilfreichsten Kundenrezensionen
5.0 von 5 Sternen Authentisches Feuer von Michael Brown 21. Januar 2014
Von DDubbe
Format:Kindle Edition|Verifizierter Kauf
Sehr schriftgemäß und überzeugend Auslegung für Continationism.
Empfohlen für jeder der Fragen hat ob alle die Geistes Gaben immer noch wirksam sind.
War diese Rezension für Sie hilfreich?
5.0 von 5 Sternen Super 28. Oktober 2014
Format:Kindle Edition|Verifizierter Kauf
Super Buch, inhaltlich klar und direkt, gut argumentiert und gründlich erarbeitet. Dr Brown kann man vertrauen.

Super Service mit kindle und =;-)
War diese Rezension für Sie hilfreich?
Die hilfreichsten Kundenrezensionen auf (beta) 4.6 von 5 Sternen  96 Rezensionen
106 von 115 Kunden fanden die folgende Rezension hilfreich
5.0 von 5 Sternen Keep the authentic fire burning 14. Dezember 2013
Von Steven S. Alt - Veröffentlicht auf
Format:Kindle Edition
In his book, "Strange Fire," John MacArthur levels a multi-pronged attack on the Charismatic movement. In "Authentic Fire" Michael Brown answers to these criticisms in a respectful and irenic tone, calling for unity and mutual appreciation, rather than division and exclusion. Brown repeatedly emphasizes that the Charismatic movement needs John MacArthur and what the cessationists contribute to the church, while the cessationists also need the things the Charismatic movement contributes.

After showing MacArthur to be guilty of inaccurate sweeping generalizations Brown goes on to demonstrate the many contributions made by Pentecostals and Charismatics in the last century - a necessary inclusion because MacArthur repeatedly makes the untenable claim that Charismatics have contributed nothing to the church. Then Brown accuses MacArthur of having a blind spot regarding his opinion of Charismatics. By this point the reader can hardly disagree. Brown even points out that MacArthur's criticisms of Charismatic worship may be as much because they are not hymn-like, as his tradition prefers, as they are because of their alleged superficiality. An entire chapter is devoted to the concept that different preferences of style need to be appreciated, and MacArthur's failure to recognize this is a significant part of the reason he has no place for Charismatics at his table of fellowship.

In one chapter Brown works form Jonathan Edwards' list of tests to determine whether a movement is from God, and shows how the Charismatic movement passes all of Edwards' tests of authenticity. This comes on the heels of revealing that MacArthur grossly misrepresented data from surveys, from which he concluded that the actions of a few Charismatic preachers on TBN represent the beliefs of the entire worldwide movement. Brown supplies further information on the results of the survey, demonstrating that almost the opposite conclusions should be drawn than the ones represented in Strange Fire.

But the greatest strength of Authentic Fire is its longest chapter, on the biblical teaching. In "Sola Scriptura and Therefore Charismatic," Brown convincingly shows that the Bible nowhere teaches the cessation of the gifts of the Spirit, but rather assumes their continuation. That the cessationist movement, which is so strongly centered in Scripture alone as the basis for their beliefs, is itself based on a doctrine not taught in Scripture, is so ironic it cannot be the reader.

One of the most impacting parts of the book is the chapter on "A God to Be Experienced." The attraction of a God who speaks to his people and demonstrates his power through them is a large part of what makes the Charismatic movement popular. Brown makes an appeal to every Christian to experience God as he really is and not reduce him to words on a page.

An unusually large percentage of the book consists of appendices, which address specific subjects not broached elsewhere in the book. This book should not be put down until they are read, especially the first one, where Craig Keener demonstrates the power of God through stories of healing and miracles from all over the world.

Ultimately, Brown makes a very convincing argument that Strange Fire fails to present a convincing biblical argument for cessationism, using misinformation and sweeping generalizations to write off the entire Charismatic movement because of the questionable practices of a small percentage of wayward leaders. In his defense of the Charismatic and Pentecostal movements, he does not excuse the excesses and abuses, with are many. But he defends orthodox Charismatic Christianity from a strong biblical stance, and from a biblical point of view, calling for unity and fellowship, rather than judgment. I highly recommend both the book and the spirit behind it.
41 von 48 Kunden fanden die folgende Rezension hilfreich
5.0 von 5 Sternen A Sincere and Convincing 'Response' to 'Strange Fire' 19. Dezember 2013
Von FIRE School of Ministry Chicago - Veröffentlicht auf
Format:Kindle Edition|Verifizierter Kauf
Full disclosure: I am a friend of Dr. Brown's, and like him, I identify as a Charismatic and as an Evangelical. I have experienced numerous gifts of the Spirit, and have seen them in operation - both in the United States, and abroad. I also hold a Ph.D. in New Testament and Early Christianity, and am committed to rigorous and careful exegesis of Scripture as the foundation for life and ministry of the Gospel.

Having said all this, I found Dr. Brown's book to be BOTH an expression of his sincere love for and solidarity with Pastor MacArthur in the One, True Gospel, AND a devastating critique of the historical, biblical and theological positions that motivated Pastor MacArthur's recent conference and book.

This book is characterized by such a gracious and irenic tone that it makes me proud to know Dr. Brown as a brother in Christ, and as a role model for those of us who sometimes struggle to be gentle when we find ourselves in controversy or disagreement. Certainly this book does not lack for passion! But, neither does it lack for charity. If believers of all theological convictions could imitate Dr. Brown on this point, Christ's Kingdom would advance in profound and powerful ways in our day!

Lest Dr. Brown's meekness be mistaken for a lack of clarity and insight, let me also say that I found his arguments compelling and satisfying on nearly every level - from the historical assessment of the presence of superantural manifestations throughout the church's story, to the widespread and global presence of Jesus-loving, suffering and empowered, biblically-literate Charismatics, to the systematic logic of the ongoing function of charismatic gifts, to the fair-minded and contextually-sensitive exegetical treatment of the relevant biblical texts.

An additional bonus of this helpful book is the collection of four appendices, which features key leaders offering both anecdotal accounts of their own Spiritual lives, as well as more measured, analytical assessments of key issues supporting the thesis of 'Authentic Fire'. I always love it when scholars take the opportunity to talk about their own experiences of the truths they analyze so carefully in the text!

Authentic Fire ably defends its fundamental thesis: that the long-awaited era of the Spirit anticipated by the Hebrew prophets, which was inaugurated by the Messiah/King Jesus, remains up to the present time, along with its already/not-yet expressions of power and life, and will continue to be so expressed until this very same King returns to consummate God's Master Plan for all creation and history.

Thank you, Dr. Brown, for a plain-spoken and theologically-substantive 'Response' to a misguided, misinformed and ill-advised broadside against millions of members of God's own household (Gal 6:10). May it offer many the chance to soften their hearts and change their minds, giving the devil a black eye and bringing much glory to the Lord Jesus Christ.
18 von 20 Kunden fanden die folgende Rezension hilfreich
5.0 von 5 Sternen Truly "GRACE TO YOU" from Dr. Brown to John MacArthur as well as to the body of Christ 1. Januar 2014
Von Scott - Veröffentlicht auf
Format:Kindle Edition
Genius. The truth spoken in love. "Authentic Fire" thoroughly and yet lovingly dismantles the pillars and premises of "Strange Fire's" conference speeches and the book by the same name. Excruciatingly researched, documented and footnoted (a norm for Michael Brown books) and an enlightening read as we learn (or re-learn) uncomfortable truths about greats such as Luther and his farting away of devils, his utterly diabolical writings and rantings against the Jews; and Calvin's disturbing doctrine of double pre-destination. Conversely, we read of J.I. Packer's approving nod to the Charismatic/Spirit-filled move of God today as well as leading theologians who hold to the cessation doctrine yet acknowledge its weak Biblical underpinnings while at the same time acknowledge the likely Biblical support that the gifts have not ceased.

Pastor MacArthur and his followers' unseemly BLIND SPOT (Dr. Brown is truly extending Christian grace) of TITANIC proportions towards Charismatics present and past is so meticulously ravaged by this book that it, like the once vaunted ship liner of old ("unsinkable!"), ends up taking on water, capsizing and sinking completely, immersed under the weight of Biblical and historical evidence beautifully presented by Dr. Brown in a manner that is truly worthy of the tag line, "GRACE TO YOU."

And yet, thankfully, "My goal in writing this book is not to win a debate or to gang up on cessationists. Instead, it is to advance the cause of the gospel of Jesus in the power of the Spirit on the foundation of the Word of God." "...I cessationist friends see what charismatics have to offer to the mix, I, for my part, am convinced that my cessationist friends have much to offer to us charismatics." "...while Jesus was perfectly complete and perfectly balanced and perfectly combined Word and Spirit, knowledge and power, none of us do. That's why we need each other so much to fulfill the Great Commission and bring maximum glory to the one we love so much." Thank you, Dr. Brown.
Scott Robson
39 von 47 Kunden fanden die folgende Rezension hilfreich
5.0 von 5 Sternen Like in Corinth there is Strange Fire in the Church, but there is also Authentic Fire 14. Dezember 2013
Von Peter Pellerin - Veröffentlicht auf
Format:Kindle Edition|Verifizierter Kauf
Are charismatics Christians? Dr. MacArthur has his doubts about the vast majority of them. This is an extremely divisive position. Dr. Brown's reply in "Authentic Fire" is a book that needed to be written and I consider it a must read. Dr. Brown demonstrates that the Bible is very clear on these issues when the texts are interpreted in a straightforward way. The cessationist viewpoint is based on reading their experiences into the text, not on the sound exegesis scripture.

In the 1st chapter, Dr. Brown highlights how Dr. MacArthur is calling for a "collective war" against charismatics. The language Dr. MacArthur uses to describe all charismatics needs to be read to be believed. If charismatics are truly not believers (I include myself here) and we are leading others astray, then strong language is needed. However, Authentic Fire demonstrates that this is clearly not the case. Dr. Brown did an amazing job in a short amount of time demonstrating the errors in Dr. MacArthur's statements from both a scriptural and historical perspective.

One blogger Dr. Brown cited highlighted a certain pastor who has engaged in an "endless stream of smug, back-patting tweets-which receive self-congratulatory kudos from his fawning fans." This kind of attitude has no place within Christianity.

In the 2nd chapter, Dr. Brown demonstrates that charismatics (including him) have been speaking out about the abuses and false teachings that have arisen within the charismatic movement. He has been addressing these things in writing, as have many others. Dr. Brown closes this chapter with an important thought. Many children who grow up in cessationist denominations are becoming atheists when they get to college. "When they grow up and go to college, they just take that next step and doubt ALL miracles, including those in the Bible." If there is a valid other worldly experience with God that Christians experience today, how badly do we need to seek Him for it! How we need to lead our children in seeking Him? We need all that He has for us! We desparately need to teach our children to seek all that He has for them!

In chapter 3, Dr. Brown demonstrates clearly that the strange fire movement is blind to what charismatics are doing around the world. They only see the TBN charismatics and have not taken the time to get to know charismatics. He is careful not to accuse Dr. MacArthur of willful ignorance, but there is a clear massive blind spot in his thinking and knowledge of what is going on within the church.

Chapter 4 is extremely important. This chapter demolishes some of the main arguments used to attack charismatics and demonstrates how they were based on the genetic fallacy. Much of the discussion at the strange fire conference engage in "guilt by association". In an excellent discussion, Dr. Brown demonstrates how this "cuts both ways". Reformed theology and dispensational theology can be argued against with the same line of reasoning. I do not agree with Dr. Brown's position on dipsensational theology :), but you can't write off an entire move of God because of a few bad apples early in the movement. You must use the same "weights and measures" when you analyze your own beliefs.

In chapter 5, Dr. Brown goes through the ways to test whether or not a move is from God and the arguments that must not be used to say that a move is not from God that were developed by J. Edwards. There is a very important discussion in this chapter on the survey statistics that Dr. MacArthur used. I think you will find how this data was used to be both dissappointing and shocking.

In chapter 6, Dr. Brown spends some time demonstrating the case that cessationism is scriptually untenable. A strong case can be made for the continuation of the gifts, and there is no clear case against it. What is clearly demonstrated is that cessationists are not approaching scripture in a straightforward way, but are interpreting the scripture in light of their experience.

In chapters 7-8 and 10, Dr. Brown's emphasizes a need for unity among true Christians. How should we discuss disagreements on non essential issues? We need to look carefully at the way in which Paul addressed the Corinthians as a model. He goes through some historical examples of Christians attacking one another (such as the debate over the nature of Christ and the Baptism of infants). Dr. Brown's heart is that we need each other and we need to be working together.

He also includes a chapter demonstrating that the God of the Bible is a God who is to be experienced (chapter 9). In this chapter, Dr. Brown discusses some ways in which God works today. Are we to reject all this as happenstance or even as demonic? There is also another important discusssion concerning how we respond to God in worship. Are we to reject Biblical forms of worship and only worship the way cessationists say we should? Should we worship with mind only or with our whole being?

The appendices are also a must read. In the first appendix, Dr. Keener addresses miracle, prophecy, and tongue accounts around the world. He also addresses with firsthand knowledge the broad brushing of African charismatic Christianity. The Strange Fire conference committed some serious slanderous sins concerning brothers and sisters in Christ and they should repent. They accuse the charismatics of witchcraft in a broad brush way, without recognizing that their theology is not based on scripture, but based on the incorporation of the Western cultural antisupernatural bias into their Christianity.

Charismatics need to continue speaking out against the false teachings within the movement. Cessationists rightly point out many grevious errors. However, cessationists are committing some serious errors of their own. Our God hates the sin of one who sows discord among brethren. We all need to work out our salvation with "fear and trembling".
18 von 20 Kunden fanden die folgende Rezension hilfreich
5.0 von 5 Sternen A Spark of Revival! 12. Januar 2014
Von Mr. Tracey McKinney - Veröffentlicht auf
Format:Kindle Edition
God has used this book and the controversy of the "Strange Fire Conference" to spark a revival in my life and cause me to become a continuationist again! I am seeking God for a personal revival in my own life so that Jesus would be glorified and others may catch the fire. Oh! what would happen if the hearts of those in the cessationist camp would be opened up to the truth of the power of the Spirit through this book? I love John MacArthur and have greatly benefitted from his sermons over the years, but his conference along with Dr. Brown's book has made me aware of a spiritual lack in my own life that only the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit can supply. Dr. Brown's attitude toward MacArthur drips with grace, love, and humility; truly the spirit of Christ. Who knows? God just may use this to open John MacArthur's eyes and many others with him...and oh what a revival might take place in the American church!!!
Waren diese Rezensionen hilfreich?   Wir wollen von Ihnen hören.
Kundenrezensionen suchen
Nur in den Rezensionen zu diesem Produkt suchen

Kunden diskutieren

Das Forum zu diesem Produkt
Diskussion Antworten Jüngster Beitrag
Noch keine Diskussionen

Fragen stellen, Meinungen austauschen, Einblicke gewinnen
Neue Diskussion starten
Erster Beitrag:
Eingabe des Log-ins

Kundendiskussionen durchsuchen
Alle Amazon-Diskussionen durchsuchen

Ähnliche Artikel finden